Hi, we seem to have a conflict between kernel and man pages. >From utimensat man page: EACCES times is NULL, or both tv_nsec values are UTIME_NOW, and either: * the effective user ID of the caller does not match the owner of the file, the caller does not have write access to the file, and the caller is not privileged (Linux: does not have either the CAP_FOWNER or the CAP_DAC_OVERRIDE capability); or, * the file is marked immutable (see chattr(1)). But following 2 commits gradually replaced EACCES with EPERM. commit 337684a1746f93ae107e05d90977b070bb7e39d8 Author: Eryu Guan <guaneryu@xxxxxxxxx> Date: Tue Aug 2 19:58:28 2016 +0800 fs: return EPERM on immutable inode commit f2b20f6ee842313a0d681dbbf7f87b70291a6a3b Author: Miklos Szeredi <mszeredi@xxxxxxxxxx> Date: Fri Sep 16 12:44:20 2016 +0200 vfs: move permission checking into notify_change() for utimes(NULL) 4.9 kernel and simple touch on immutable file gives me: utimensat(AT_FDCWD, "afile", NULL, 0) = -1 EPERM (Operation not permitted) while an older kernel it gives me: utimensat(AT_FDCWD, "afile", NULL, 0) = -1 EACCES (Permission denied) Do we need to update man page or fix kernel back to return EACCES? Thanks, Jan -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-fsdevel" in the body of a message to majordomo@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html