Dave, >> Not before overwriting, no. Once you have allocated an LBA it remains >> allocated until you discard it. > Ok, so you are confirming what I thought: it's almost completely > useless to us. > > i.e. this requires issuing IO to "reserve" space whilst preserving > data before every metadata object goes from clean to dirty in memory. You can only reserve the space prior to writing a block for the first time. Once an LBA has been written ("Mapped" in the SCSI state machine), it remains allocated until it is explicitly deallocated (via a discard/Unmap operation). This part of the SCSI spec was written eons ago under the assumption that when a physical resource backing a given LBA had been established, you could write the block over and over without having to allocate new space. This used to be true, but obviously the introduction of de-duplication blew a major hole in that. I have been perusing the spec over and over trying to understand how block provisioning state transitions are defined when dedup is in the picture. However, much is left unexplained. As a result, I reached out to various folks. Including the people who worked on this feature in the standards way back. And the response that I get from them is that allocation operation got irreparably broken when support for de-duplication was added to the spec. Nobody attempted to fix the state transitions since most vendors only cared about deallocation. Consequently specifying the exact behavior of the allocation operation in the context of dedup fell by the wayside. The recommendation I got was that we should not rely on this feature despite it being advertised as supported by the storage. I looked at whether it was feasible to support it on non-dedup devices only, but it does not look like it's worthwhile to pursue. And as a result there is no need for block layer allocation operation to have parity with SCSI. Although we may want to keep NVMe in mind when defining the semantics. -- Martin K. Petersen Oracle Linux Engineering