On Fri, Jul 29, 2016 at 07:44:25AM -0700, Dan Williams wrote: > On Thu, Jul 28, 2016 at 7:21 PM, Dave Chinner <david@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > On Thu, Jul 28, 2016 at 10:10:33AM +0200, Jan Kara wrote: > >> On Thu 28-07-16 08:19:49, Dave Chinner wrote: > [..] > >> So DAX doesn't need flushing to maintain consistent view of the data but it > >> does need flushing to make sure fsync(2) results in data written via mmap > >> to reach persistent storage. > > > > I thought this all changed with the removal of the pcommit > > instruction and wmb_pmem() going away. Isn't it now a platform > > requirement now that dirty cache lines over persistent memory ranges > > are either guaranteed to be flushed to persistent storage on power > > fail or when required by REQ_FLUSH? > > No, nothing automates cache flushing. The path of a write is: > > cpu-cache -> cpu-write-buffer -> bus -> imc -> imc-write-buffer -> media > > The ADR mechanism and the wpq-flush facility flush data thorough the > imc (integrated memory controller) to media. dax_do_io() gets writes > to the imc, but we still need a posted-write-buffer flush mechanism to > guarantee data makes it out to media. So what you are saying is that on and ADR machine, we have these domains w.r.t. power fail: cpu-cache -> cpu-write-buffer -> bus -> imc -> imc-write-buffer -> media |-------------volatile-------------------|-----persistent--------------| because anything that gets to the IMC is guaranteed to be flushed to stable media on power fail. But on a posted-write-buffer system, we have this: cpu-cache -> cpu-write-buffer -> bus -> imc -> imc-write-buffer -> media |-------------volatile-------------------------------------------|--persistent--| IOWs, only things already posted to the media via REQ_FLUSH are considered stable on persistent media. What happens in this case when power fails during a media update? Incomplete writes? > > Or have we somehow ended up with the fucked up situation where > > dax_do_io() writes are (effectively) immediately persistent and > > untracked by internal infrastructure, whilst mmap() writes > > require internal dirty tracking and fsync() to flush caches via > > writeback? > > dax_do_io() writes are not immediately persistent. They bypass the > cpu-cache and cpu-write-bufffer and are ready to be flushed to media > by REQ_FLUSH or power-fail on an ADR system. IOWs, on an ADR system write is /effectively/ immediately persistent because if power fails ADR guarantees it will be flushed to stable media, while on a posted write system it is volatile and will be lost. Right? If so, that's even worse than just having mmap/write behave differently - now writes will behave differently depending on the specific hardware installed. I think this makes it even more important for the DAX code to hide this behaviour from the fielsystems by treating everything as volatile. If we track the dirty blocks from write in the radix tree like we for mmap, then we can just use a normal memcpy() in dax_do_io(), getting rid of the slow cache bypass that is currently run. Radix tree updates are much less expensive than a slow memcpy of large amounts of data, ad fsync can then take care of persistence, just like we do for mmap. We should just make the design assumption that all persistent memory is volatile, track where we dirty it in all paths, and use the fastest volatile memcpy primitives available to us in the IO path. We'll end up with a faster fastpath that if we use CPU cache bypass copies, dax_do_io() and mmap will be coherent and synchronised, and fsync() will have the same requirements and overhead regardless of the way the application modifies the pmem or the hardware platform used to implement the pmem. Cheers, Dave. -- Dave Chinner david@xxxxxxxxxxxxx -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-ext4" in the body of a message to majordomo@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html
