On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 03:59:17AM +0000, Myklebust, Trond wrote: > > -----Original Message----- > > From: J. Bruce Fields [mailto:bfields@xxxxxxxxxxxx] > > Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2013 4:34 PM > > To: Myklebust, Trond > > Cc: Theodore Ts'o; linux-ext4@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx; sandeen@xxxxxxxxxx; > > Bernd Schubert; gluster-devel@xxxxxxxxxx; linux-nfs@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > > Subject: Re: regressions due to 64-bit ext4 directory cookies > > > > On Wed, Feb 13, 2013 at 04:43:05PM +0000, Myklebust, Trond wrote: > > > On Wed, 2013-02-13 at 11:20 -0500, J. Bruce Fields wrote: > > > > Oops, probably should have cc'd linux-nfs. > > > > > > > > On Wed, Feb 13, 2013 at 10:36:54AM -0500, Theodore Ts'o wrote: > > > > > The other thing that I'd note is that the readdir cookie has been > > > > > 64-bit since NFSv3, which was released in June ***1995***. And > > > > > the explicit, stated purpose of making it be a 64-bit value (as > > > > > stated in RFC 1813) was to reduce interoperability problems. If > > > > > that were the case, are you telling me that Sun (who has > > > > > traditionally been pretty good worrying about interoperability > > > > > concerns, and in fact employed the editors of RFC 1813) didn't get > > > > > this right? This seems quite.... surprising to me. > > > > > > > > > > I thought this was the whole point of the various NFS > > > > > interoperability testing done at Connectathon, for which Sun was a > > > > > major sponsor?!? No one noticed?!? > > > > > > > > Beats me. But it's not necessarily easy to replace clients running > > > > legacy applications, so we're stuck working with the clients we have.... > > > > > > > > The linux client does remap the server-provided cookies to small > > > > integers, I believe exactly because older applications had trouble > > > > with servers returning "large" cookies. So presumably > > > > ext4-exporting-Linux servers aren't the first to do this. > > > > > > > > I don't know which client versions are affected--Connectathon's next > > > > week and I'll talk to people and make sure there's an ext4 export > > > > with this turned on to test against. > > > > > > Actually, one of the main reasons for the Linux client not exporting > > > raw readdir cookies is because the glibc-2 folks in their infinite > > > wisdom declared that telldir()/seekdir() use an off_t. They then went > > > yet one further and decided to declare negative offsets to be illegal > > > so that they could use the negative values internally in their syscall > > wrappers. > > > > > > The POSIX definition has none of the above rubbish > > > (http://pubs.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/009695399/functions/telldir.html > > > ) and so glibc brilliantly saddled Linux with a crippled readdir > > > implementation that is _not_ POSIX compatible. > > > > > > No, I'm not at all bitter... > > > > Oh, right, I knew I'd forgotten part of the story.... > > > > But then you must have actually been testing against servers that were using > > that 32nd bit? > > > > I think ext4 actually only uses 31 bits even in the 32-bit case. And for a server > > that was literally using an offset inside a directory file, that would be a > > colossal directory. That's exactly what XFS directory cookies are - a direct encoding of the dirent offset into the directory file. Which means a overflow would occur at 16GB of directory data for XFS. That is in the realm of several hundreds of millions of files in a single directory, which I have seen done before.... > > So I'm wondering how you ran across it. > > > > Partly just pure curiosity. > > IIRC, XFS on IRIX used 0xFFFFF as the readdir eof marker, which caused us to generate an EIO... And this discussion explains the magic 0x7fffffff offset mask in the linux XFS readdir code. I've been trying to find out for years exactly why that was necessary, and now I know. I probably should write a patch that makes it a "non-magic" number and remove it completely for 64 bit platforms before I forget again... Cheers, Dave. -- Dave Chinner david@xxxxxxxxxxxxx -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-ext4" in the body of a message to majordomo@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html
