Hello Ted, I would like to know if there is already a mount option or feature in ext3/ext4 that automatically overwrites freed blocks with zeros? If this is not the case I would like to know if you would consider a patch for upstream? I'm asking this because I currently do some research work on data deduplication in virtual machine environments and corresponding backups. It would be a huge space saver if there is such a feature because todays and tomorrows backup tools for virtual machine environments work on the block layer (VMware Consolidated Backup, VMware Data Recovery, and NetApp Snapshots). This is not only true for backup tools but also for running Virtual machines. The case that this future addresses is the following: A huge file is downloaded and later delted. The backup and datadeduplication that is operating on the block level can't identify the block as unused. This results in backing up the amount of the data that was previously allocated by the file and as such introduces an performance overhead. If you're interested in real live data, I'm able to provide them. If you don't intend to have such an optional feature in ext3/ext4 I would like to know if you know a tool that makes it possible to zero out unused blocks? The only reference that I found for such a tool for Linux is the following: #!/bin/bash FileSystem=`grep ext /etc/mtab| awk -F" " '{ print $2 }'` for i in $FileSystem do number=`df -B 512 $i | awk -F" " '{print $4}'` percent=$(echo "scale=0; $number * 95 / 100" | bc ) dd count=`echo $percent` if=/dev/zero of=`echo $i`/zf rm -f $i/zf done Source: http://blog.core-it.com.au/?p=298 Even if certainly does job I would hardly recommend it to anyone for various obvious reasons: A lot of I/O overhead that could be avoided, scheduling this at the bad moment it could lead to full disk situation. And also the blocksize is left the default and as such is way to low. Just to be complete: For Microsoft Windows there is a tool called sdelete which can be used to zero out unused disk blocks, again it has the same problem as the above script but hopefully is saver to run. Source: http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/sysinternals/bb897443.aspx Thomas -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-ext4" in the body of a message to majordomo@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html