On tor, mar 17, 2022 at 19:20, Vladimir Oltean <olteanv@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: > On Thu, Mar 17, 2022 at 05:58:26PM +0100, Hans Schultz wrote: >> On tor, mar 17, 2022 at 18:18, Vladimir Oltean <olteanv@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: >> > On Thu, Mar 17, 2022 at 05:07:15PM +0100, Hans Schultz wrote: >> >> On tor, mar 17, 2022 at 17:36, Vladimir Oltean <olteanv@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: >> >> > On Thu, Mar 17, 2022 at 03:19:46PM +0100, Andrew Lunn wrote: >> >> >> On Thu, Mar 17, 2022 at 09:52:15AM +0100, Hans Schultz wrote: >> >> >> > On tor, mar 17, 2022 at 01:34, Vladimir Oltean <olteanv@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: >> >> >> > > On Mon, Mar 14, 2022 at 11:46:51AM +0100, Hans Schultz wrote: >> >> >> > >> >> @@ -396,6 +414,13 @@ static irqreturn_t mv88e6xxx_g1_atu_prob_irq_thread_fn(int irq, void *dev_id) >> >> >> > >> >> "ATU miss violation for %pM portvec %x spid %d\n", >> >> >> > >> >> entry.mac, entry.portvec, spid); >> >> >> > >> >> chip->ports[spid].atu_miss_violation++; >> >> >> > >> >> + if (mv88e6xxx_port_is_locked(chip, chip->ports[spid].port)) >> >> >> > >> >> + err = mv88e6xxx_switchdev_handle_atu_miss_violation(chip, >> >> >> > >> >> + chip->ports[spid].port, >> >> >> > >> >> + &entry, >> >> >> > >> >> + fid); >> >> >> > >> > >> >> >> > >> > Do we want to suppress the ATU miss violation warnings if we're going to >> >> >> > >> > notify the bridge, or is it better to keep them for some reason? >> >> >> > >> > My logic is that they're part of normal operation, so suppressing makes >> >> >> > >> > sense. >> >> >> > >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> > >> I have been seeing many ATU member violations after the miss violation is >> >> >> > >> handled (using ping), and I think it could be considered to suppress the ATU member >> >> >> > >> violations interrupts by setting the IgnoreWrongData bit for the >> >> >> > >> port (sect 4.4.7). This would be something to do whenever a port is set in locked mode? >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > > So the first packet with a given MAC SA triggers an ATU miss violation >> >> >> > > interrupt. >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > > You program that MAC SA into the ATU with a destination port mask of all >> >> >> > > zeroes. This suppresses further ATU miss interrupts for this MAC SA, but >> >> >> > > now generates ATU member violations, because the MAC SA _is_ present in >> >> >> > > the ATU, but not towards the expected port (in fact, towards _no_ port). >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > > Especially if user space decides it doesn't want to authorize this MAC >> >> >> > > SA, it really becomes a problem because this is now a vector for denial >> >> >> > > of service, with every packet triggering an ATU member violation >> >> >> > > interrupt. >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > > So your suggestion is to set the IgnoreWrongData bit on locked ports, >> >> >> > > and this will suppress the actual member violation interrupts for >> >> >> > > traffic coming from these ports. >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > > So if the user decides to unplug a previously authorized printer from >> >> >> > > switch port 1 and move it to port 2, how is this handled? If there isn't >> >> >> > > a mechanism in place to delete the locked FDB entry when the printer >> >> >> > > goes away, then by setting IgnoreWrongData you're effectively also >> >> >> > > suppressing migration notifications. >> >> >> > >> >> >> > I don't think such a scenario is so realistic, as changing port is not >> >> >> > just something done casually, besides port 2 then must also be a locked >> >> >> > port to have the same policy. >> >> >> >> >> >> I think it is very realistic. It is also something which does not work >> >> >> is going to cause a lot of confusion. People will blame the printer, >> >> >> when in fact they should be blaming the switch. They will be rebooting >> >> >> the printer, when in fact, they need to reboot the switch etc. >> >> >> >> >> >> I expect there is a way to cleanly support this, you just need to >> >> >> figure it out. >> >> > >> >> > Hans, why must port 2 also be a locked port? The FDB entry with no >> >> > destinations is present in the ATU, and static, why would just locked >> >> > ports match it? >> >> > >> >> You are right of course, but it was more from a policy standpoint as I >> >> pointed out. If the FDB entry is removed after some timeout and the >> >> device in the meantime somehow is on another port that is not locked >> >> with full access, the device will of course get full access. >> >> But since it was not given access in the first instance, the policy is >> >> not consistent. >> >> >> >> >> > The other aspect is that the user space daemon that authorizes catches >> >> >> > the fdb add entry events and checks if it is a locked entry. So it will >> >> >> > be up to said daemon to decide the policy, like remove the fdb entry >> >> >> > after a timeout. >> >> > >> >> > When you say 'timeout', what is the moment when the timer starts counting? >> >> > The last reception of the user space daemon of a packet with this MAC SA, >> >> > or the moment when the FDB entry originally became unlocked? >> >> >> >> I think that if the device is not given access, a timer should be >> >> started at that moment. No further FDB add events with the same MAC >> >> address will come of course until the FDB entry is removed, which I >> >> think would be done based on the said timer. >> >> > >> >> > I expect that once a device is authorized, and forwarding towards the >> >> > devices that it wants to talk to is handled in hardware, that the CPU no >> >> > longer receives packets from this device. In other words, are you saying >> >> > that you're going to break networking for the printer every 5 minutes, >> >> > as a keepalive measure? >> >> >> >> No, I don't think that would be a good idea, but as we are in userspace, >> >> that is a policy decision of those creating the daemon. The kernel just >> >> facilitates, it does not make those decisions as far as I think. >> >> > >> >> > I still think there should be a functional fast path for authorized >> >> > station migrations. >> >> > >> >> I am not sure in what way you are suggesting that should be, if the >> >> kernel should actively do something there? If a station is authorized, >> >> and somehow is transferred to another port, if that port is not locked it >> >> will get access, if the port is locked a miss violation will occur etc... >> > >> > Wait, if the new port is locked and the device was previously >> > authorized, why will the new port trigger a miss violation? This is the >> > part I'm not following. The authorization is still present in the form >> > of an ATU entry on the old locked port, is it not? >> > >> I am sure (have not tested) that a miss violation will occur. It might >> be a member violation in this instance though. >> When thinking of it, afaik there is no way today of having fine control >> over the DPV when adding a FDB entry. >> If the DPV could be finer controlled the entry could cover several >> possible ports and the fast (immediate migration) will be accomplished? > > I'm not sure I understand this, either. > > You're saying we should configure the authorizations as de-facto > multicast ATU entries towards all locked ports, so that there wouldn't > be any violation when a station migrates, because the new port is still > in the destination port mask of the ATU entry? > > Yes, but... this leaks traffic between ports to a significant degree. > Any packet that targets your printer now targets your colleague's printer too. > > I was expecting you'd say that when the cable is unplugged from the > switch, the authorization daemon is notified through rtnetlink of the > link state change, and it flushes the port of addresses it has added > (because the kernel surely does not do this). > So, my HW tests show that when the link is removed, the FDB entries related to the port are flushed automatically. > This could work to an extent, but it wouldn't handle the case where the > printer isn't connected directly to the 802.1X port, but through > another dumb switch. I don't know enough about 802.1X, but I don't see > why this isn't a valid configuration. > ATM, the dynamic flag (bridge fdb add MAC dev DEV master dynamic) doesn't create an ageing FDB entry in the offloaded case. Maybe if that was solved, it would be a good enough solution, as for a noisy device, it would lose some packets every 5 minutes, which higher layers should be able to handle? > To explain what I'm thinking of. At office, IT gave one Ethernet port to > each desk, but I have multiple devices. I have a PC, a printer, and a > development board, each with a single Ethernet port, so I use a dumb > 4-port switch to connect all these devices to the 802.1X port beneath my > desk. I talked to IT, brought my printer to them, they agreed to bypass > 802.1X authorization for it based on the MAC address on its label. > > I've been working from home for the past few years, but now I need to > return to office. But since years have passed, some colleagues left, > some new colleagues came, and I need to change my desk. The new one > belonged to a co-worker who also had a dumb switch on his desk, so I see > no reason to move mine too. I unplug the printer from my dumb switch, > plug it into the new one, but it doesn't work. What do I do, open a > ticket to IT asking for halp? > > To be honest this is purely fictional and I haven't tried it, but it > sounds like I should when I get the chance, to get a better image of how > things are supposed to work. > >> >> >> > > Oh, btw, my question was: could you consider suppressing the _prints_ on >> >> >> > > an ATU miss violation on a locked port? >> >> >> > >> >> >> > As there will only be such on the first packet, I think it should be >> >> >> > logged and those prints serve that purpose, so I think it is best to >> >> >> > keep the print. >> >> >> > If in the future some tests or other can argue for suppressing the >> >> >> > prints, it is an easy thing to do. >> >> >> >> >> >> Please use a traffic generator and try to DOS one of your own >> >> >> switches. Can you? >> >> >> >> >> >> Andrew
