On Mon, 2008-10-20 at 03:06 -0800, Nicholas Mc Guire wrote: > > > > On Mon, 2008-10-20 at 10:55 +0100, Douglas, Jim (Jim) wrote: > > > We are contemplating porting a large number of device drivers to Linux. > > > The pragmatic solution is to keep them in user mode (using the UIO > > > framework) where possible ... they are written in C++ for a start. > > > > > > The obvious disadvantages of user mode device drivers are security / > > > isolation. The main benefit is ease of development. > > > > > > Do you know what the *technical* disadvantages of this approach might > > > be? I am most concerned about possible impact on interrupt handling. > > > > > > For example, I assume the context switching overhead is higher, and that > > > interrupt latency is more difficult to predict? > > > > Userspace drivers certainly aren't first class citizens; uio and kernel > > mode drivers generally aren't really interchangeable. > > > > The technical disadvantages of userspace drivers are that you don't have > > access to kernel subsystems, you can't run any userspace content in irq > > context so everything needs to be scheduled before it can be dealt with. > > A UIO driver still needs a kernel component to do acknowledge the > > interrupt. As such when you say "interrupt latency" you need to define > > the end point. A UIO driver will have it's in-kernel handler called > > just as quickly as any other driver but the userspace app will need to > > be scheduled before it receives notification that the IRQ has fired. > > > > The technical advantage of a UIO driver is that devices which only need > > to shift data don't have to double-handle it. e.g. an ADC card doesn't > > need to move ADC results from hardware to kernel, kernel to userspace, > > it's just one fluid movement. > > > > What kind of device drivers are you talking about? They have to be of a > > fairly specific flavour to fit in to a UIO model. Linux isn't a > > microkernel, userspace drivers are quite restricted in their power. > > > > are these claims based on benchmarks of a specific driver ? I only know > of a singe UIO driver for a Hilscher CIF card and one for a SMX > Cryptengine (I guess thats yours any way) but none for a AD/DIO card - if > you know of such a driver I would be interested in seeing its performance. When UIO was being discussed for inclusion, the example case being thrown around was for such an ADC card. They claimed to have seen significant improvements in speed by avoiding the double-handling of data. Come to think of it, I can't see that this specific driver has shown up... But what kind of benchmarks do you want? When I say "restricted in their power" I mean more in a feature-set kind of way than a raw speed way. Userspace drivers can't plug in to kernel subsystems so can't, for example, be SPI hosts or terminal devices or network hardware or anything else which sits in the middle of a standard stack. All they can do is be notified of an interrupt and have direct access to a lump of memory. As I asked before, what's your use-case? It tends to be fairly obvious whether the hardware is suitable for a UIO-based driver or whether it's going to have to live in kernel. > > Also if you know of any simple UIO sample drivers that would also help. As in examples of the userspace half? Unfortunately uio-smx isn't ready to fly thanks to some significant production delays but the userspace half of the Hilscher CIF driver can be found at http://www.osadl.org/projects/downloads/UIO/user/ --Ben. -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-embedded" in the body of a message to majordomo@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html
