* hpa@xxxxxxxxx <hpa@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > Just to check, you mean: EFI reboot (and shutdown) become the default > > methods when the machine is booted in EFI mode, and EFI stuff has not > > been disabled with a kernel parameter? > > Even when running in full hardware ACPI mode. No, I still think "early" EFI is historically better with ACPI reboot. But can we find a firmware flag perhaps that will *not* result in EFI reboot being turned off? > This, I believe, is known to not work. Yeah, I bet so. My problem is that the code appears to have the wrong assumptions: /* * For most modern platforms the preferred method of powering off is via * ACPI. However, there are some that are known to require the use of * EFI runtime services and for which ACPI does not work at all. * * Using EFI is a last resort, to be used only if no other option * exists. */ bool efi_reboot_required(void) { if (!acpi_gbl_reduced_hardware) return false; efi_reboot_quirk_mode = EFI_RESET_WARM; return true; } At minimum the comment is stale: "modern" platforms, *especially* when the only bootup method is EFI, as in the ACER laptop case, I think the preferred reboot method is absolutely an EFI reboot - and it's probably what Windows uses too. The question is, is acpi_gbl_reduced_hardware false on the Acer TravelMate X514-51T? I think it has to be, for the quirk to make sense - if it's true then efi_reboot_required() would set the reboot method to EFI. I.e. we seem to have a new category of systems that are advertising themselves as 'full ACPI compliant', which are NOT old EFI systems, but modern EFI systems. Is there some good way to detect these - such as ACPI version or something? Thanks, Ingo