> One is to get more and more folks reverse engineer firmware. This won't help > if you can't deploy unsigned firmware though. But you have to also look at it Oh I think it will. From the experience with things like games consoles most firmware is such a complete pile of s**t that you'll be able to exploit it to load your own firmware through the bugs, and at the very least after the 200th CVE against their firmware the vendor's direct customers may be a bit fed up and demand proper process and visibility 8) It's always going to be in tension though - because there is firmware you really don't want people replacing maliciously, such as battery control, or thermal protection. Alan -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-efi" in the body of a message to majordomo@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html