On 3/28/2017 5:39 PM, Ard Biesheuvel wrote: > On 28 March 2017 at 22:27, Sinan Kaya <okaya@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: >> Hi Lorenzo, >> >> On 3/23/2017 6:57 AM, Lorenzo Pieralisi wrote: >>>> Correct. But on x86 (or rather, on a PC), you can be sure that UEFI >>>> (or the legacy PCI bios) performed the resource assignment already. >>>> One could argue that this is equally the case when running arm64 in >>>> ACPI mode, but in general, you cannot assume the presence of firmware >>>> on ARM/arm64 that has already taken care of this, and so the state of >>>> the BARs has to be presumed invalid. >>> The story is a bit more convoluted than that owing to x86 (and other >>> arches) legacy. >>> >>> x86 tries to claim all PCI resources (in two passes - first enabled >>> devices, second disabled devices) and that predates ACPI/UEFI. >>> >>> Mind, x86 reassign resources that can't be claimed too, the only >>> difference with ARM64 is that, for the better or the worse, we >>> have decided not to claim the FW PCI set-up on ARM64 even if it >>> is sane, we do not even try, it was a deliberate choice. >>> >>> This patch should be harmless on x86 since if the FB PCI BAR is set >>> up sanely, claiming it again should be a nop (to be checked). >>> >>> For all the talk about PCI being arch agnostic as I said manifold >>> times before, that's just theory. In practice different arches >>> treat PCI FW set-up differently, it would be ideal to make them >>> uniform but legacy is huge and there is a massive risk of triggering >>> regressions, it is no mean feat (if achievable at all). >> >> Can we explore having a uniform behavior across ALL ACPI bases systems >> by trying to reuse the resources assigned by firmware first and reassign >> them only if something is wrong? >> >> There are protocols like hotplug reservation in UEFI. It looks like Linux >> is not honoring any of these protocols by being too smart. >> > > Could you be more specific? Which protocol do you mean exactly, and > how does not reusing resources interfere with it? > Let's assume for the moment that if ARM64 adaptation of PCIE reused the firmware assigned BAR addresses, would you still have this problem that you are trying to fix by a quirk? The protocol that I was looking at specifically is called hotplug reservation protocol. http://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/architecture-and-technology/unified-extensible-firmware-interface/efi-hot-plug-pci-initialization-protocol-specification.html The idea is to pad the PCIe bridge window by some amount in UEFI. You boot the system without any cards present. when you do to hotplug, OS uses the range reserved by the BIOS for inserting the new card. what I see is that the bridge windows get overridden by the OS. I'm asking why we don't fix the actual problem in PCIe ARM64 adaptation instead of working around it by quirks. I don't see any reason why ACPI ARM64 should carry the burden of legacy systems. Legacy only applies to DT based systems. If there is still a legacy problem in ACPI ARM64, generic Linux code deals with this using some DMI/SMBIOS and setting a time bomb like products after this date shall follow the new behavior. We are not in a very hardened position when it comes to changes for ACPI based systems. Sinan -- Sinan Kaya Qualcomm Datacenter Technologies, Inc. as an affiliate of Qualcomm Technologies, Inc. Qualcomm Technologies, Inc. is a member of the Code Aurora Forum, a Linux Foundation Collaborative Project. -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-efi" in the body of a message to majordomo@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html
