On 28 September 2015 at 09:22, Ingo Molnar <mingo@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
> * Ard Biesheuvel <ard.biesheuvel@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
>> On 27 September 2015 at 08:03, Ingo Molnar <mingo@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>> >
>> > * Matt Fleming <matt@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>> >
>> [...]
>> >> [...] The actual virtual addresses we pick are exactly the same with the two
>> >> patches.
>> >
>> > So I'm NAK-ing this for now:
>> >
>> > - The code is it reads today pretends to be an 'allocator'. It is _NOT_ an
>> > allocator, because all the sections have already been determined by the
>> > firmware, and, as we just learned the hard way, we do not want to deviate from
>> > that! There's nothing to 'allocate'!
>> >
>> > What these patches seem to implement is an elaborate 'allocator' that ends up
>> > doing nothing on 'new 64-bit' ...
>> >
>> > - The 32-bit and 64-bit and 'old_mmap' asymmetries:
>> >
>> > if (!efi_enabled(EFI_OLD_MEMMAP) && efi_enabled(EFI_64BIT)) {
>> >
>> > seem fragile and nonsensical. The question is: is it possible for the whole EFI
>> > image to be larger than a couple of megabytes? If not then 32-bit should just
>> > mirror the firmware layout as well, and if EFI_OLD_MEMMAP does anything
>> > differently from this _obvious_ 1:1 mapping of the EFI memory offsets then it's
>> > not worth keeping as a legacy, because there's just nothing better than
>> > mirroring the firmware layout.
>> >
>> > My suggestion would be to just 1:1 map what the EFI tables describe, modulo the
>> > single absolute offset by which we shift the whole thing to a single base.
>> >
>> > Is there any technical reason why we'd want to deviate from that? Gigabytes of
>> > tables or gigabytes of holes that 32-bit cannot handle? Firmware that wants an OS
>> > layout that differs from the firmware layout?
>> >
>>
>> The combined EFI_MEMORY_RUNTIME regions could span the entire 1:1 addressable PA
>> space. They usually don't but it is a possibility, which means 32-bit will not
>> generally be able to support this approach. [...]
>
> Ok, that's a good argument which invalidates my NAK.
>
>> [...] For 64-bit ARM, there are some minor complications when the base of RAM is
>> up very high in physical memory, but we already fixed that for the boot time ID
>> map and for KVM.
>>
>> > Also, nobody seems to be asking the obvious hardware compatibility question
>> > when trying to implement a standard influenced in great part by an entity that
>> > is partly ignorant of and partly hostile to Linux: how does Windows map the
>> > EFI sections, under what OSs are these firmware versions tested? I suspect no
>> > firmware is released that crashes on bootup on all OSs that can run on that
>> > hardware, right?
>>
>> Interestingly, it was the other way around this time. The engineers that
>> implemented this feature for EDK2 could not boot Windows 8 anymore, because it
>> supposedly maps the regions in reverse order as well (and MS too will need to
>> backport a fix that inverts the mapping order). The engineers also tested
>> Linux/x86, by means of a SUSE installer image, which booted fine, most likely
>> due to the fact that it is an older version which still uses the old memmap
>> layout.
>
> That's nice to hear!
>
>> My concern with all of this is that this security feature will become an obscure
>> opt-in feature rather than something UEFIv2.5 firmware implementations can
>> enable by default.
>
> Ok, so I think the patches are mostly fine after all,
That is good to hear.
> except that I don't think
> the condition on 64-bit makes any sense:
>
> + if (!efi_enabled(EFI_OLD_MEMMAP) && efi_enabled(EFI_64BIT)) {
>
> I can see us being nervous wrt. backported patches, but is there any strong reason
> to not follow this up with a third (non-backported) patch that changes this to:
>
> + if (!efi_enabled(EFI_OLD_MEMMAP)) {
>
> for v4.4?
>
The 32-bit side essentially implements the old memmap only, which is
the the bottom-up version. So old memmap will be implied by 32-bit but
not set in the EFI flags, resulting in the reverse enumeration being
used with the bottom-up mapping logic. The net result of that is that
we create the same problem for 32-bit that we are trying to solve for
64-bit, i.e., the regions will end up in reverse order in the VA
mapping.
To deobfuscate this particular conditional, we could set
EFI_OLD_MEMMAP unconditionally on 32-bit x86. Or we could reshuffle
variables and conditionals in various other way. I am not convinced
that the overall end result will be any better though.
--
Ard.
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