Am Donnerstag, 19. Juli 2007 16:25:38 schrieben Sie: > Am Donnerstag, 19. Juli 2007 16:19:17 schrieben Sie: > > Am Donnerstag, 19. Juli 2007 12:35:14 schrieben Sie: > > > Le mercredi 18 juillet 2007 19:20, Uwe Bugla a écrit : > > > > Am Mittwoch, 18. Juli 2007 17:21:07 schrieben Sie: > > > > > Le mercredi 18 juillet 2007 16:13, Uwe Bugla a écrit : > > > > > > 2. Kaffeine's channel lists should not be sorted by a couple of > > > > > > numbers that absolutely do not make any sense. > > > > > > The sorting should be alphabetically in the first place, then > > > > > > using numbers. In a kaffeine channel list it's quite horrible to > > > > > > find a desired channel that you want to watch. > > > > > > > > Dear Christophe, first of all a thousands of thanks for your pretty > > > > nice hints :) > > > > > > np :) > > > > > > > > You can click on list headers to set sorting. > > > > > Numbers are quite useful and easy to remember (at least for most > > > > > viewed channels). You can change a channel' number by selecting the > > > > > channel in list then clicking again to edit. > > > > > Anyway, i don't know of any good method to quickly find a channel > > > > > in a list of thousands :) > > > > > > > > The alphabetic order is the most reliable one, no matter if the total > > > > number of channels is 10, 100 or even 1000 or more. > > > > > > I guess it's a matter of taste, i personnaly prefer number sorting ... > > > > > > > As an addition a bookmark system to sub-categorize the found channels > > > > would be "close to perfection." :) > > > > > > This one i don't get. Could you explain your idea? > > > > A bookmark can look like this (take german channels f. ex.): > > > > ___Erste___ followed by channels like: > > Das Erste > > Eins Plus > > Eins Extra > > Eins Festival > > > > ___Private___ > > RTL Television > > RTL 2 > > > > etc. ....... > > > > Thus you can set up some sub-order in an endless list of thousands of > > channels. If you present the bookmarks in a vertical order you can omit > > the ordering numbers for the channels. > > > > > > As kaffeine is not too well documented :( the alphabetic order only > > > > does appear in the editor mode, not in the watching TV or radio mode. > > > > > > Headers sorting is quite standard however. > > > > Thank you! I already found the clue by intuition. :) > > > > > > > So you may want to delete useless channels (take a look, > > > > > you will find a lot :) to reduce the list length. > > > > > > > > This also should be done automatically (double and triple > > > > appearances, channels without a valid name appearing as "unknown" > > > > etc.). > > > > The primary direction should be: as little user inputs as necessary. > > > > > > That was the case in previous versions, but then users complained about > > > missing channels :) > > > > Lesson 1: Do never listen to crash test dummies! :) > > > > To automatically delete double and triple appearances may be in fact > > harmful sometimes, but there is no discussion about "unknown" channels, > > or is there any? > > > > > > > You can also take advantage of categories to group channels and so > > > > > deal with smaller lists. > > > > > > > > Never even tried that as I am missing features like this one in a > > > > proper documentation. > > > > > > Quoting the handbook: > > > "You can arrange your channels in categories. To create a new category, > > > right click in the icon view to get a popup menu. Now, drag a channel > > > name and drop it on the desired category' icon. To remove a channel > > > from a category, drop it on the "All" icon. Right click on an icon to > > > delete that category or change icon." > > > > Thanks! Am gonna look that up. I am just too lazy to read docus > > sometimes. > > > > > Not perfect, but at least the category feature is mentioned ;) > > > > > > > > P.S. > > > > > Kaffeine svn has a search field in channels list. > > > > > > > > P. S.: femonspeak is real working fine. If I find some time to do I > > > > will extend the spoken wav-part by two other core languages: German > > > > and French. Then will produce a Debian package to imply that tool > > > > into my TCL/TK project I am busily working on (which is trilingual at > > > > the current state of development). > > > > > > Yes, it works fine, i use it when i'm on the roof to adjust the dish ! > > > (with max volume and opened window :) > > > > YUP! But only using aplay (alsaplayer), never using play from sox! > > Using sox I was not successful at all! > > > > > > Uwe > > > > > > > > Master question 1: > > > > When I run a kaffeine channel scan I never stumble across "filter > > > > timeout pid" errors. > > > > > > > > When I do the same with "scan" out of the dvb-utils-package, filter > > > > timeouts appear very often and the scan result is neither mediocre > > > > nor even reliable, with or without the parameter -5. It's just utmost > > > > "crappy"! > > > > > > > > So please where is the clue in kaffeine's source code that makes its > > > > channel scan perform so well and reliable (well: I would not say > > > > perfect, but still far much better than "scan" ever was!)? > > > > > > Hm, it could be particular to your device/driver, cause here scan is > > > still a reference. > > > > I have offered any kind of help for improving the (next generation) > > driver for my specific card, which you can download here: > > http://www.thadathil.net. It's name is cx878. > > Although many people gave some hints and tried to be helpful (Greg > > Kroah-Hartman, Markus Rechberger) nothing has happened for at least two > > months now - big promises, but no deeds! > > Lots of time for chat at http://www.linuxtv.org/irc/linuxtv/, but no time > > for producing a good driver, very selfish, even appearing to treat the > > driver code like his personal property allowing nobody to mix in "his > > privacy code affairs" (like Trent Piepho for instance), not reliable at > > all, ignoring user requests as a kind of favourite sport: > > > > This is what you call a "maintainer" here at linuxtv.org! > > > > > I think now kaffeine' scan is as good as dvbscan, but i won't > > > say it's better. (at least dvbscan supports atsc, what kaffeine > > > doesn't) > > > > dvbscan (by Andrew Mc Quincey) can only be used for DVB-T, not for DVB-S. > > scan can be used for all three (DVB-S, DVB-T, DVB-C). > > But its pain is: > > It does what it wants, and that means: > > If you spend 4 walkthroughs you will receive four different sizes of the > > dumped "channels.conf" file. > > Every time the scan procedure suffers a "filter timeout pid" when one > > specific transponder is being treated you can throw the dump result to > > /dev/null as it will be highly incomplete! > > > > This problem has been documented for at least 2 years now, but there is > > noone among the "illustrous" linuxtv.org gatekeepers consacring some time > > to fix that damn issue! :( > > > > So would you call THAT a reference? You're kidding, aren't you? > > > > As an intermediate solution I will establish a very complicated > > frequency-based "list scan" as part of my TCL/TTK project which is: > > a. using a list of 76 transponders in case of Astra-19.2E > > b. adding a resume feature for timeout transponders in order to complete > > the result list. It's a horrible procedure, and it is time consuming like > > hell, but I do not see any alternative to improve the quality of the scan > > result! > > > > :( > > : > > > (The main difference between dvbscan and kaffeine is that kaffeine > > > filters one pid at a time (+ the nit pid in a second thread) while > > > dvbscan creates up to 32 (iirc), so dvbscan is a bit faster, but maybe > > > your device/driver doesn't like it.) > > > > 1. That sounds VERY interesting! so please WHERE in scan's source code > > can I reduce the pid filtering to ONE PID and how. I do not call myself a > > programmer, so can you please give me a hint where I can find the > > appropriate sections in latest "scan.c" to patch that thing? > > It indeed would save me a lot of pain if I only knew where to look at and > > what to patch! :) > > > > 2. As I said already I know that the kernel driver for my specific DVB-S > > card is crap. After all it's consuming RAM like hell in coherence with a > > lot of "crappy" dependencies, not regarding the horrible CPU > > consommation! But what can you do if you're dependent on moody people > > like Manu Abraham? Switch to another card or what? > > > > > > Master question 2: > > > > In a channel scan result there are channels that are declared CA but > > > > are FTA and vice versa. > > > > How can this be corrected automatically? > > > > > > It's a well known problem, and i can't see any reliable solution apart > > > that blaming providers. > > > > That won't help (bureaucracy side effects and lazyness phenomenon) :( > > > > > It would be possible to check for CA descriptors in PMT, but even some > > > channels are unencrypted while PMT claim it is !! > > > > > > > My proposal would be: > > > > List the channels by SID in a database or something similar, then > > > > correcting the CA-flag automatically. > > > > > > (SID is not unique through a network, one would need a > > > NetworkID/TransportStreamID/ServiceID combination to uniquely identify > > > a channel) > > > > OK, didn't know that - Thanks! But SID is unique within a certain > > satellite hopefully? > > > > So it wouldn't be possible to collect the known "faulty" channels sorted > > by satellite in a database and then correcting the wrong flag > > automatically? > > > > Lots of Regards > > > > Uwe _______________________________________________ linux-dvb mailing list linux-dvb@xxxxxxxxxxx http://www.linuxtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/linux-dvb
