>>>>> "Andreas" == Andreas Oberritter <obi@xxxxxxxxxxx> writes: Andreas> On Fri, 2005-06-17 at 09:34 +0200, Marcus Metzler wrote: Andreas> (orbital_position << 22) | (polarization << 20) | Andreas> frequency_mhz >> I looked for some examples in my current dvbrc which is for 5 >> orbital positions. With 207 transponders I found 32 cases of >> the same TSID involving 117 of the transponders, i.e. between 3 >> aand 4 transponders per TSID. If you exclude the cases where >> you have different orbital positions to distinguish between the >> transponders you still have 28 cases with 108 transponders. If >> you use the polarisation to distinguish the transponders you >> get 29 cases (15 for V with 49 transponders and 14 for H with >> 41 transponders) and still 100 transponders. If you take the >> first 4 digits of the frequency, all these remaining cases can >> be resolved. So a combination of transport ID, orbital >> position and frequency should be enough. Polarisation does not >> really help much. Andreas> So how do you want to distinguish the following two Andreas> transponders without including the polarization? How does Andreas> the bogus transport stream ID help? Can you give an Andreas> example where my proposal creates the same ID for two Andreas> different multiplexes? Andreas> 1.0W 11.654 GHz H, TSID 0x0001 ONID 0x0001 1.0W 11.654 Andreas> GHz V, TSID 0x0001 ONID 0x0001 The TSID is really not useful for distinguishing the transponders. From what I can see your example is the only case where the polarisation is needed. I don't think there are many satellites that use the same frequency with two polarisation unless they service two distinct areas. Unfortunately I can only see the footprint for one of those transponders at satcodx and I can't tune them. Anyway, I was just looking at the statistics I get from the channels I got. Looking at your example it seems that all eventualities have to be taken into account, so that polarisation is needed and maybe even some other data. Marcus -- /--------------------------------------------------------------------\ | Dr. Marcus O.C. Metzler | | | mocm@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx | http://www.metzlerbros.de/ | \--------------------------------------------------------------------/ |>>> Quis custodiet ipsos custodies <<<|