On Thu, Nov 9, 2017 at 4:51 AM, Roberto Sassu <roberto.sassu@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > On 11/8/2017 4:48 PM, Matthew Garrett wrote: >> The code doing the parsing is in the initramfs, which has already been >> measured at boot time. You can guarantee that it's being done by >> trusted code. > > > The parser can be executed in the initial ram disk, but everything > accessed before the parser is executed will be measured/appraised > without digest lists. To do signature-based remote attestation, where > the verification consists on checking the signature of digests of > measured files, it would be necessary to sign systemd, libraries, > everything accessed before the parser, and the parser. If RPM headers > are parsed by the kernel, measurement/appraisal will be done directly > with digest lists. There's no need to have a policy that measures those files, because they're part of the already-measured initramfs. Just set the IMA policy after you've loaded the digest list. >>> The main problem is that the digest list measurement, performed when the >>> parser accesses the file containing the RPM header, might not reflect >>> what IMA uses for digest lookup. >> >> >> Why not? > > > I assumed you wanted to measure digest lists only at the time they are > read by the parser, and not when they are read by IMA. If instead digest > lists are verified again after conversion, the new workflow should be: > > 1) the kernel parses digest list metadata before systemd is executed > 2) the kernel verifies the signature of digest lists (RPM headers) and > add the digest of digest lists to the hash table, so that appraisal > succeeds > 3) systemd (with file signature) is executed > 4) the parser (with file signature) is executed > 5) the parser reads and converts the digest lists to the generic format, > and writes them to a tmpfs filesystem > 6) the parser generates a new digest list metadata file with the path of > converted digest lists and sends the path of the new metadata to IMA > 7) IMA reads the generic digest lists > > The measurement list should look like: > > 10 <digest> ima-sig <digest> boot_aggregate > 10 <digest> ima-sig <digest> /etc/ima/digest_lists/metadata > 10 <digest> ima-sig <digest> /usr/lib/systemd/systemd <signature> > ... > 10 <digest> ima-sig <digest> <parser> <signature> > 10 <digest> ima-sig <digest> /tmp/metadata > > > If parsing of RPM headers is done by the kernel, the measurement list > will look like: > > 10 <digest> ima-ng <digest> boot_aggregate > 10 <digest> ima-ng <digest> /etc/ima/digest_lists/metadata > > > A built-in policy should enable appraisal of tmpfs. If not, patch 11/15 > disables digest lookup for appraisal. Since generic digest lists will > have a security.ima extended attribute (they are mutable files), > appraisal verification will succeed. > > With this solution, digital signatures cannot be required, because > generic digest lists will have a HMAC. For appraisal, it becomes > necessary to ensure that only digest lists written by the parser can be > processed by IMA. This seems very over-complicated, and it's unclear why the kernel needs to open the file itself. You *know* that all of userland is trustworthy at this point even in the absence of signatures. It seems reasonable to provide a interface that allows userland to pass a digest list to the kernel, in the same way that userland can pass an IMA policy to the kernel. You can then restrict access to that interface via an LSM. -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-doc" in the body of a message to majordomo@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html
