On 09/14/2017 10:58 PM, Pavel Machek wrote: > On Thu 2017-09-14 21:31:31, Jacek Anaszewski wrote: >> Hi David and Pavel, >> >> On 09/13/2017 10:20 PM, Pavel Machek wrote: >>> Hi! >>> >>>> These patch series add the LED_BRIGHTNESS_FAST flag support for >>>> ledtrig-transient to use hrtimer so that platforms with high-resolution timer >>>> support can have better accuracy in the trigger duration timing. The need for >>>> this support is driven by the fact that Android has removed the timed_ouput [1] >>>> and is now using led-trigger for handling vibrator control which requires the >>>> timer to be accurate up to a millisecond. However, this flag support would also >>>> allow hrtimer to co-exist with the ktimer without causing warning to the >>>> existing drivers [2]. >>> >>> NAK. >>> >>> LEDs do not need extra overhead, and vibrator control should not go >>> through LED subsystem. >>> >>> Input subsystem includes support for vibrations and force >>> feedback. Please use that instead. >> >> I think that most vital criterion here is the usability of the >> interface. If it can be harnessed for doing the work seemingly >> unrelated to the primary subsystem's purpose, that's fine. >> Moreover, it is extremely easy to use in comparison to the force >> feedback one. > > Well, no. > > Kernel is supposed to provide hardware abstraction, that means it > should hide differences between different devices. > > And we already have devices using input as designed. We don't want to > have situation where "on phones A, D and E, vibrations are handled via > input, while on B, C and F, they are handled via /sys/class/leds". > > If we want to have discussion "how to make vibrations in input > easier to use", well that's fair. But I don't think it is particulary hard. > > If we want to say "lets move all vibrations from input to LED > subsystem"... I don't think that is good idea, but its a valid > discussion. Some good reasons would be needed. > > But having half devices use one interface and half use different one > is just bad... especially when only reason to do it that way is > "David wants to do it that way, android library made a mistake and he > now wants it to propagate to whole world". This is not the only reason. Adding hr_timer support to ledtrig-transient (and similarly to ledtrig-timer) would allow to increase the accuracy and stability of delay_on/delay_off intervals at low values. Do you think such an improvement could be harmful in some way, even if it was made optional? -- Best regards, Jacek Anaszewski -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-doc" in the body of a message to majordomo@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html
