On Sat, Aug 13, 2016 at 06:17:03PM +0300, Yury Norov wrote: > On Fri, Aug 12, 2016 at 03:36:12PM +0100, Catalin Marinas wrote: > > On Thu, Aug 11, 2016 at 10:29:03PM +0200, Arnd Bergmann wrote: > > > On Thursday, August 11, 2016 5:30:03 PM CEST Catalin Marinas wrote: > > > > > > > and you can have ARM binaries with > > > > > > > PER_LINUX (using the arm64 uname) just like you can have > > > > > > > arm64 binaries running with PER_LINUX32. > > > > > > > > > > > > I was actually looking to enforce the 32-bit binaries to only see > > > > > > PER_LINUX32, though with a risk of breaking the ABI. OTOH, people are > > > > > > abusing this and write 32-bit apps relying on the 64-bit /proc/cpuinfo: > > > > > > > > > > > > http://lkml.kernel.org/g/1464706504-25224-3-git-send-email-catalin.marinas@xxxxxxx > > > > > > > > > > > > (you were summoned on that discussion couple of times ;)) > > > > > > > > > > Hmm, I thought I saw the thread and didn't have any good idea for > > > > > the uname information, but didn't notice it was for /proc/cpuinfo. > > > > > > > > > > What's wrong with always showing both the 32-bit and the 64-bit > > > > > hwcap strings here (minus the duplicates, which hopefully have > > > > > the same meaning here)? > > > > > > > > As I said above, some of them have the same name (which may be a good > > > > thing at a first look) but we don't have an architecture guarantee that > > > > the feature is present in both AArch32 and AArch64 modes (e.g. AES may > > > > only be available in AArch64). > > > > > > Is this the case on actual implementations that exist today? If they > > > are actually always both present, we might be able to get away with it. > > > > It may be fine on current implementations but what would we do when/if > > we actually find such discrepancy? It's not just ARM Ltd designing the > > chips, so as long as the architecture doesn't mandate it you may find > > strange implementations. > > > > Imposing such restriction in the architecture doesn't make sense if the > > only reason is the /proc/cpuinfo file (and I can't think of any other > > reason why this should be enforced). > > > > What I'm worried about is 32-bit apps running on an arm64 kernel and > > making use of the 64-bit /proc/cpuinfo without any guarantee that the > > AArch32 state has such features. In my patch proposal linked above I > > wanted to always force the compat /proc/cpuinfo for 32-bit tasks. > > The link doesn't work for me. Is there other link, or what's the > maillist there? With lkml.kernel.org, just change the 'g' with an 'r': http://lkml.kernel.org/r/1464706504-25224-3-git-send-email-catalin.marinas@xxxxxxx It was on linux-arm-kernel. > So, what we decided finally? Is my understanding correct that we leave > everything as is in ilp32 series, and it will be resolved separately? ILP32 is not affected by this since the hwcap for ILP32 should match native. It was more a question about whether AArch32 tasks should ever have access to AArch64 hwcaps (and potential misuse). -- Catalin -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-doc" in the body of a message to majordomo@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html
