On 24.07.24 19:44, Boqun Feng wrote: > On Tue, Jul 23, 2024 at 11:14:29AM +0200, Alice Ryhl wrote: >>> +/// However `&Self` represents a reference to the object, and the lifetime of the **reference** is >>> +/// known at compile-time. E.g. the `Foo::as_ref()` above. >>> +/// >>> +/// ## `impl Drop` of an `impl AlwaysRefCounted` should not touch the refcount >>> +/// >>> +/// [`ARef`] descreases the refcount automatically (in [`ARef::drop`]) when it goes out of the >>> +/// scope, therefore there's no need to `impl Drop` for the type of objects (e.g. `Foo`) to decrease >>> +/// the refcount. >>> pub struct ARef<T: AlwaysRefCounted> { >>> ptr: NonNull<T>, >>> _p: PhantomData<T>, >>> -- >>> 2.45.2 >>> >> >> I think this is missing some basic information related to `&Self` -> >> `ARef<Self>` conversions. We should explain that these conversions are >> possible, and that you usually don't want `raw_ptr` -> `ARef<Self>` to >> increment the refcount - instead provide a `raw_ptr` -> `&Self` and >> convert the `&Self` to `ARef<Self>`. >> > > I could be more explicit on this, but could there be a case where a `T` > only wants to return `ARef<T>` as a public API? In other words, the > author of `T` doesn't want to expose an `-> &T` function, therefore a > `-> ARef<T>` function makes more sense? If all the users of `T` want to > operate on an `ARef<T>` other than `&T`, I think it makes sense, right? You can always get a `&T` from `ARef<T>`, since it implements `Deref`. > Overall, I feel like we don't necessarily make a preference between > `->&Self` and `->ARef<Self>` functions here, since it's up to the users' > design? I would argue that there should be a clear preference for functions returning `&Self` when possible (ie there is a parameter that the lifetime can bind to). This is because then you get the two versions of the function (non-incrementing and incrementing) for the price of one function. --- Cheers, Benno