On Sat, 27 Jan 2024 17:18:59 +0000 Donald Hunter wrote: > > Hah, required attrs. I have been sitting on patches for the kernel for > > over a year - https://github.com/kuba-moo/linux/tree/req-args > > Not sure if they actually work but for the kernel I was curious if it's > > possible to do the validation in constant time (in relation to the > > policy size, i.e. without scanning the entire policy at the end to > > confirm that all required attrs are present). And that's what I came up > > with. > > Interesting. It's definitely a thorny problem with varying sets of > 'required' attributes. It could be useful to report the absolutely > required attributes in policy responses, without any actual enforcement. > Would it be possible to report policy for legacy netlink-raw families? It's a simple matter of plumbing. We care reuse the genetlink policy dumping, just need to add a new attr to make "classic" family IDs distinct from genetlink ones. The policy vs spec is another interesting question. When I started thinking about YNL my intuition was to extend policies to carry all relevant info. But the more I thought about it the less sense it made. Whether YNL specs should replace policy dumps completely (by building the YAML into the kernel, and exposing via sysfs like kheaders or btf) - I'm not sure. I think I used policy dumps twice in my life. They are not all that useful, IMVHO... > Thinking about it, usability would probably be most improved by adding > extack messages to more of the tc error paths. TC was one of the first netlink families, so we shouldn't judge it too harshly. With that preface - it should only be used as "lessons learned" not to inform modern designs.