On Thu, Jul 06, 2023 at 12:30:46PM +0100, Valentin Schneider wrote:
> >> + ret = atomic_try_cmpxchg(&ct->work, &old_work, old_work | work);
> >> +
> >> + preempt_enable();
> >> + return ret;
> >> +}
> > [...]
> >> @@ -100,14 +158,19 @@ static noinstr void ct_kernel_exit_state(int offset)
> >> */
> >> static noinstr void ct_kernel_enter_state(int offset)
> >> {
> >> + struct context_tracking *ct = this_cpu_ptr(&context_tracking);
> >> int seq;
> >> + unsigned int work;
> >>
> >> + work = ct_work_fetch(ct);
> >
> > So this adds another fully ordered operation on user <-> kernel transition.
> > How many such IPIs can we expect?
> >
>
> Despite having spent quite a lot of time on that question, I think I still
> only have a hunch.
>
> Poking around RHEL systems, I'd say 99% of the problematic IPIs are
> instruction patching and TLB flushes.
>
> Staring at the code, there's quite a lot of smp_calls for which it's hard
> to say whether the target CPUs can actually be isolated or not (e.g. the
> CPU comes from a cpumask shoved in a struct that was built using data from
> another struct of uncertain origins), but then again some of them don't
> need to hook into context_tracking.
>
> Long story short: I /think/ we can consider that number to be fairly small,
> but there could be more lurking in the shadows.
I guess it will still be time to reconsider the design if we ever reach such size.
>
> > If this is just about a dozen, can we stuff them in the state like in the
> > following? We can potentially add more of them especially on 64 bits we could
> > afford 30 different works, this is just shrinking the RCU extended quiescent
> > state counter space. Worst case that can happen is that RCU misses 65535
> > idle/user <-> kernel transitions and delays a grace period...
> >
>
> I'm trying to grok how this impacts RCU, IIUC most of RCU mostly cares about the
> even/odd-ness of the thing, and rcu_gp_fqs() cares about the actual value
> but only to check if it has changed over time (rcu_dynticks_in_eqs_since()
> only does a !=).
>
> I'm rephrasing here to make sure I get it - is it then that the worst case
> here is 2^(dynticks_counter_size) transitions happen between saving the
> dynticks snapshot and checking it again, so RCU waits some more?
That's my understanding as well but I have to defer on Paul to make sure I'm
not overlooking something.
Thanks.
