i think we really need to have stacked LSM's, because there is a large set of people who will never use SELinux. Every few years, I take another look at SELinux, my head explodes with the (IMHO unneeded complexity), and I go away again... Yet I would really like a number of features such as this ptrace scope idea --- which I think is a useful feature, and it may be that stacking is the only way we can resolve this debate. The SELinux people will never believe that their system is too complicated, and I don't like using things that are impossible for me to understand or configure, and that doesn't seem likely to change anytime in the near future. I mean, even IPSEC RFC's are easier for me to understand, and that's saying a lot... -- Ted -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-doc" in the body of a message to majordomo@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html