login as: orenl Using keyboard-interactive authentication. Password: Access denied Using keyboard-interactive authentication. Password: Last login: Fri Nov 19 10:17:21 2010 from 192.117.42.81.static.012.net.il 499:takamine[~]$ pine PINE 4.64 COMPOSE MESSAGE Folder: Drafts 8 Messages + To : Tejun Heo <tj@xxxxxxxxxx> Cc : Serge Hallyn <serge.hallyn@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>, Kapil Arya <kapil@xxxxxxxxxxx>, Gene Cooperman <gene@xxxxxxxxxxx>, linux-kernel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, xemul@xxxxx, "Eric W. Biederman" <ebiederm@xxxxxxxxxxxx>, Linux Containers <containers@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> Attchmnt: Subject : Re: [Ksummit-2010-discuss] checkpoint-restart: naked patch ----- Message Text ----- Hi, [continuation of posting regarding kernel vs userspace approach] part I: perpsectice about the types of scopes of c/r in discussion part II: linux-cr design adn objectives part III: comparison kernel/userspace approaches PART II: ==PHILOSOPHY== Linux-cr is a _generic_ c/r-engine with multiple capabilities. It can checkpoint a full container, a process hierarchy, or a single process, For containers, it provides guarantees like restart-ability; For the others, it provides the flexibility so that c/r-aware applications, libraries, helpers, and wrappers can glue what they wish to glue. 1) Transparent - completely transparent for container-c/r, and largely so for standalone-cr ("largely" - as in except for the glue which is needed due to loss of eco-system, not due to restarting). 2) Reliable - if checkpoint succeeds that it is guaranteed for to succeed too (for container-c/r). 3) Preemtptive - works without requiring that checkpointed processes be scheduled to run (and thus "collaborate") 4) Complete - covers all visible and hidden state in the kernel about processes (even if not directly visible to userspace) 5) Efficient - can be optimized along multiple axes: _zero_ impact on runtime, low downtime during checkpoint, partial and incremental checkpoint, live-migration, etc. 6) Flexible - can integrate nicely with different userspace "glueing" methods. 7) Maintainable - small part of the code is to refactor kernel code so that it can be reused in restart; the rest is new code that in our experience rarely changes. Same hods for the image format. What linux-cr _does not_ do in the kernel, nor plans to support is: 1) Hardware devices: their state is per-device/vendor. Instead one should use virtual devices (VNC for dislpay, pulseaudio for sound, screen for ttys), or have a userspace glue to restore the state of the device. That said, in the future vendors may opt to provide logic for c/r in drivers, e.g. ->checkpoint, ->restart methods. 2) Userspace glue: (as defined for standalone-c/r above) the kernel knows about processes and their state, not about their intentions. We leave that for userspace. 3) External dependencies: (outside of the local host) the kernel does not control what's outside the host. That is the responsibility of userspace. (Even with live-migration, the linux-cr only restores the local state of the TCP connections). Oren. _______________________________________________ Containers mailing list Containers@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx https://lists.linux-foundation.org/mailman/listinfo/containers