Re: [PATCH v7 12/13] ext4: switch to multigrain timestamps

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On 2023-09-19 09:31, Jeff Layton wrote:
The typical case for make
timestamp comparisons is comparing source files vs. a build target. If
those are being written nearly simultaneously, then that could be an
issue, but is that a typical behavior?

I vaguely remember running into problems with 'make' a while ago (perhaps with a BSDish system) when filesystem timestamps were arbitrarily truncated in some cases but not others. These files would look older than they really were, so 'make' would think they were up-to-date when they weren't, and 'make' would omit actions that it should have done, thus screwing up the build.

File timestamps can be close together with 'make -j' on fast hosts. Sometimes a shell script (or 'make' itself) will run 'make', then modify a file F, then immediately run 'make' again; the latter 'make' won't work if F's timestamp is mistakenly older than targets that depend on it.

Although 'make'-like apps are the biggest canaries in this coal mine, the issue also affects 'find -newer' (as Bruno mentioned), 'rsync -u', 'mv -u', 'tar -u', Emacs file-newer-than-file-p, and surely many other places. For example, any app that creates a timestamp file, then backs up all files newer than that file, would be at risk.


I wonder if it would be feasible to just advance the coarse-grained
current_time whenever we end up updating a ctime with a fine-grained
timestamp?

Wouldn't this need to be done globally, that is, not just on a per-file or per-filesystem basis? If so, I don't see how we'd avoid locking performance issues.


PS. Although I'm no expert in the Linux inode code I hope you don't mind my asking a question about this part of inode_set_ctime_current:

	/*
	 * If we've recently updated with a fine-grained timestamp,
	 * then the coarse-grained one may still be earlier than the
	 * existing ctime. Just keep the existing value if so.
	 */
	ctime.tv_sec = inode->__i_ctime.tv_sec;
	if (timespec64_compare(&ctime, &now) > 0)
		return ctime;

Suppose root used clock_settime to set the clock backwards. Won't this code incorrectly refuse to update the file's timestamp afterwards? That is, shouldn't the last line be "goto fine_grained;" rather than "return ctime;", with the comment changed from "keep the existing value" to "use a fine-grained value"?



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