On Fri, Mar 06, 2020 at 08:15:10AM -0800, James Bottomley wrote: > On Fri, 2020-03-06 at 09:35 -0500, Josef Bacik wrote: > > Many people have suggested this elsewhere, but I think we really need > > to seriously consider it. Most of us all go to the Linux Plumbers > > conference. We could accomplish our main goals with Plumbers without > > having to deal with all of the above problems. > > [I'm on the Plumbers PC, but not speaking for them, just making general > observations based on my long history helping to run Plumbers] > > Plumbers has basically reached the size where we can't realistically > expand without moving to the bigger venues and changing our evening > events ... it's already been a huge struggle in Lisbon and Halifax > trying to find a Restaurant big enough for the closing party. > > The other reason for struggling to keep Plumbers around 500 is that the > value of simply running into people and having an accidental hallway > track, which is seen as a huge benefit of plumbers, starts diminishing. > In fact, having a working hallway starts to become a problem as well > as we go up in numbers (plus in that survey we keep sending out those > who reply don't want plumbers to grow too much in size). > > The other problem is content: you're a 3 day 4 track event and we're a > 3 day 6 track event. We get enough schedule angst from 6 tracks ... 10 > would likely become hugely difficult. If we move to 5 days, we'd have > to shove the Maintainer Summit on the Weekend (you can explain that one > to Linus) but we'd still be in danger of the day 4 burn out people used > to complain about when OLS and KS were co-located. > > So, before you suggest Plumbers as the magic answer consider that the > problems you cite below don't magically go away, they just become > someone else's headache. > > That's not to say this isn't a good idea, it's just to execute it we'd > have to transform Plumbers and we should have a community conversation > about that involving the current Plumbers PC before deciding it's the > best option. It's unlikely that this could still be done given that we're also facing a little uncertainty for Plumbers. It seems like a lot of additional syncing would be needed. But the main concern I have is that co-locating both is probably quite challenging for anyone attending both especially when organizing something like a microconference.
