Re: [PATCH V2] block: make segment size limit workable for > 4K PAGE_SIZE

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On Mon, Feb 10, 2025 at 05:03:19PM +0800, Ming Lei wrote:
> PAGE_SIZE is applied in some block device queue limits, this way is
> very fragile and is wrong:
> 
> - queue limits are read from hardware, which is often one readonly
> hardware property
> 
> - PAGE_SIZE is one config option which can be changed during build time.

This is true.

> In RH lab, it has been found that max segment size of some mmc card is
> less than 64K, then this kind of card can't work in case of 64K PAGE_SIZE.

This is true, but check the note on block/blk-merge.c blk_bvec_map_sg().
It would seem that this is a limitation of MMC/SD and that this should
ideally be fixed.

> Fix this issue by using BLK_MIN_SEGMENT_SIZE in related code for dealing
> with queue limits and checking if bio needn't split. Define BLK_MIN_SEGMENT_SIZE
> as 4K(minimized PAGE_SIZE).

But indeed if the block driver isn't yet fixed, then sure, we have to
deal with the issue, I am not convinced that the logic below addresses
this in a generic way, rather it seems to conflate the areas where we
do need the generic block layer min defined, and when we have a block
min segment limit.

> Cc: Yi Zhang <yi.zhang@xxxxxxxxxx>
> Cc: Luis Chamberlain <mcgrof@xxxxxxxxxx>
> Cc: John Garry <john.g.garry@xxxxxxxxxx>
> Cc: Bart Van Assche <bvanassche@xxxxxxx>
> Cc: Keith Busch <kbusch@xxxxxxxxxx>
> Link: https://lore.kernel.org/linux-block/20250102015620.500754-1-ming.lei@xxxxxxxxxx/
> Signed-off-by: Ming Lei <ming.lei@xxxxxxxxxx>
> ---
> V2:
> 	- cover bio_split_rw_at()
> 	- add BLK_MIN_SEGMENT_SIZE
> 
>  block/blk-merge.c      | 2 +-
>  block/blk-settings.c   | 6 +++---
>  block/blk.h            | 2 +-
>  include/linux/blkdev.h | 1 +
>  4 files changed, 6 insertions(+), 5 deletions(-)
> 
> diff --git a/block/blk-merge.c b/block/blk-merge.c
> index 15cd231d560c..b55c52a42303 100644
> --- a/block/blk-merge.c
> +++ b/block/blk-merge.c
> @@ -329,7 +329,7 @@ int bio_split_rw_at(struct bio *bio, const struct queue_limits *lim,
>  
>  		if (nsegs < lim->max_segments &&
>  		    bytes + bv.bv_len <= max_bytes &&
> -		    bv.bv_offset + bv.bv_len <= PAGE_SIZE) {
> +		    bv.bv_offset + bv.bv_len <= BLK_MIN_SEGMENT_SIZE) {
>  			nsegs++;
>  			bytes += bv.bv_len;

I'll note that the 64k BLK_MAX_SEGMENT_SIZE is an old "odd historic" default
value, ie, not a documented hard limit but some odd old thing which
blk_validate_limits() encourages block drivers to override, so a soft
max.

That said, if we validate this soft max and if you also validate the min
shouldn't value in the above instead be lim->max_segment_size instead,
provided that we also address the coment in blk_bvec_map_sg()?

More forward looking -- are you using BLK_MIN_SEGMENT_SIZE here due to
the same mmc/sd limitations ? Can we overcome the mmc/sd limitations by
only using this BLK_MIN_SEGMENT_SIZE only on block drivers which have the
scatterlists limitation?

The rest in your patch seem like sensible places to use a BLK_MIN_SEGMENT_SIZE
although I need to think more about bio_may_need_split() with larger segments
in mind some more.

  Luis




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