On 2016-10-06 08:50, Paolo Valente wrote:
Il giorno 06 ott 2016, alle ore 13:57, Austin S. Hemmelgarn <ahferroin7@xxxxxxxxx> ha scritto:
On 2016-10-06 07:03, Mark Brown wrote:
On Thu, Oct 06, 2016 at 10:04:41AM +0200, Linus Walleij wrote:
On Tue, Oct 4, 2016 at 9:14 PM, Tejun Heo <tj@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
I get that bfq can be a good compromise on most desktop workloads and
behave reasonably well for some server workloads with the slice
expiration mechanism but it really isn't an IO resource partitioning
mechanism.
Not just desktops, also Android phones.
So why not have BFQ as a separate scheduling policy upstream,
alongside CFQ, deadline and noop?
Right.
We're already doing the per-usecase Kconfig thing for preemption.
But maybe somebody already hates that and want to get rid of it,
I don't know.
Hannes also suggested going back to making BFQ a separate scheduler
rather than replacing CFQ earlier, pointing out that it mitigates
against the risks of changing CFQ substantially at this point (which
seems to be the biggest issue here).
ISTR that the original argument for this approach essentially amounted to: 'If it's so much better, why do we need both?'.
Such an argument is valid only if the new design is better in all respects (which there isn't sufficient information to decide in this case), or the negative aspects are worth the improvements (which is too workload specific to decide for something like this).
All correct, apart from the workload-specific issue, which is not very clear to me. Over the last five years I have not found a single workload for which CFQ is better than BFQ, and none has been suggested.
My point is that whether or not BFQ is better depends on the workload.
You can't test for every workload, so you can't say definitively that
BFQ is better for every workload. At a minimum, there are workloads
where the deadline and noop schedulers are better, but they're very
domain specific workloads. Based on the numbers from Shaohua, it looks
like CFQ has better throughput than BFQ, and that will affect some
workloads (for most, the improved fairness is worth the reduced
throughput, but there probably are some cases where it isn't).
Anyway, leaving aside this fact, IMO the real problem here is that we are in a catch-22: "we want BFQ to replace CFQ, but, since CFQ is legacy code, then you cannot change, and thus replace, CFQ"
I agree that that's part of the issue, but I also don't entirely agree
with the reasoning on it. Until blk-mq has proper I/O scheduling,
people will continue to use CFQ, and based on the way things are going,
it will be multiple months before that happens, whereas BFQ exists and
is working now.
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