I made a test: - Stop writing and wait for dirty data writen back $ lsblk NAME MAJ:MIN RM SIZE RO TYPE MOUNTPOINT sdf 8:80 0 7.3T 0 disk └─bcache0 252:0 0 7.3T 0 disk └─ceph--32a481f9--313c--417e--aaf7--bdd74515fd86-osd--data--2f670929--3c8a--45dd--bcef--c60ce3ee08e1 253:1 0 7.3T 0 lvm sdd 8:48 0 7.3T 0 disk sdb 8:16 0 7.3T 0 disk sdk 8:160 0 893.8G 0 disk └─bcache0 252:0 0 7.3T 0 disk └─ceph--32a481f9--313c--417e--aaf7--bdd74515fd86-osd--data--2f670929--3c8a--45dd--bcef--c60ce3ee08e1 253:1 0 7.3T 0 lvm $ cat /sys/block/bcache0/bcache/dirty_data 0.0k root@WXS0106:~# bcache-super-show /dev/sdf sb.magic ok sb.first_sector 8 [match] sb.csum 71DA9CA968B4A625 [match] sb.version 1 [backing device] dev.label (empty) dev.uuid d07dc435-129d-477d-8378-a6af75199852 dev.sectors_per_block 8 dev.sectors_per_bucket 1024 dev.data.first_sector 16 dev.data.cache_mode 1 [writeback] dev.data.cache_state 1 [clean] cset.uuid d87713c6-2e76-4a09-8517-d48306468659 - check the available cache # cat /sys/fs/bcache/d87713c6-2e76-4a09-8517-d48306468659/cache_available_percent 27 As the doc described: cache_available_percent Percentage of cache device which doesn’t contain dirty data, and could potentially be used for writeback. This doesn’t mean this space isn’t used for clean cached data; the unused statistic (in priority_stats) is typically much lower. When all dirty data writen back, why cache_available_percent was not 100? And when I start the write I/O, the new writen didn't replace the clean cache(it think the cache is diry now?), so it cause the hdd with large latency: ./bin/iosnoop -Q -d '8,80' <...> 73338 WS 8,80 3513701472 4096 217.69 <...> 73338 WS 8,80 3513759360 4096 448.80 <...> 73338 WS 8,80 3562211912 4096 511.69 <...> 73335 WS 8,80 3562212528 4096 505.08 <...> 73339 WS 8,80 3562213376 4096 501.19 <...> 73336 WS 8,80 3562213992 4096 511.16 <...> 73343 WS 8,80 3562214016 4096 511.74 <...> 73340 WS 8,80 3562214128 4096 512.95 <...> 73329 WS 8,80 3562214208 4096 510.48 <...> 73338 WS 8,80 3562214600 4096 518.64 <...> 73341 WS 8,80 3562214632 4096 519.09 <...> 73342 WS 8,80 3562214664 4096 518.28 <...> 73336 WS 8,80 3562214688 4096 519.27 <...> 73343 WS 8,80 3562214736 4096 528.31 <...> 73339 WS 8,80 3562214784 4096 530.13 On 2021/2/25 上午10:23, Norman.Kern wrote: > On 2021/2/24 下午4:52, Coly Li wrote: >> On 2/22/21 7:48 AM, Norman.Kern wrote: >>> Ping. >>> >>> I'm confused on the SYNC I/O on bcache. why SYNC I/O must be writen back >>> for persistent cache? It can cause some latency. >>> >>> @Coly, can you give help me to explain why bcache handle O_SYNC like this.? >>> >>> >> Hmm, normally we won't observe the application issuing I/Os on backing >> device except for, >> - I/O bypass by SSD congestion >> - Sequential I/O request >> - Dirty buckets exceeds the cutoff threshold >> - Write through mode >> >> Do you set the write/read congestion threshold to 0 ? > Thanks for you reply. > > I have set the threshold to zero, all configs: > > #make-bcache -C -b 4m -w 4k --discard --cache_replacement_policy=lru /dev/sdm > #make-bcache -B --writeback -w 4KiB /dev/sdn --wipe-bcache > congested_read_threshold_us = 0 > congested_write_threshold_us = 0 > > # I tried to set sequential_cutoff to 0, but it didn't solve it. > > sequential_cutoff = 4194304 > writeback_percent = 40 > cache_mode = writeback > > I renew the cluster, run for hours and reproduced the problem. I check the cache status: > > root@WXS0106:/root/perf-tools# cat /sys/fs/bcache/d87713c6-2e76-4a09-8517-d48306468659/cache_available_percent > 29 > root@WXS0106:/root/perf-tools# cat /sys/fs/bcache/d87713c6-2e76-4a09-8517-d48306468659/internal/cutoff_writeback_sync > 70 > 'Dirty buckets exceeds the cutoff threshold' caused the problem? My configs are wrong or other reasons? > >> Coly Li >> >>> On 2021/2/18 下午3:56, Norman.Kern wrote: >>>> Hi guys, >>>> >>>> I am testing ceph with bcache, I found some I/O with O_SYNC writeback >>>> to HDD, which caused large latency on HDD, I trace the I/O with iosnoop: >>>> >>>> ./iosnoop -Q -ts -d '8,192 >>>> >>>> Tracing block I/O for 1 seconds (buffered)... >>>> STARTs ENDs COMM PID TYPE DEV >>>> BLOCK BYTES LATms >>>> >>>> 1809296.292350 1809296.319052 tp_osd_tp 22191 R 8,192 >>>> 4578940240 16384 26.70 >>>> 1809296.292330 1809296.320974 tp_osd_tp 22191 R 8,192 >>>> 4577938704 16384 28.64 >>>> 1809296.292614 1809296.323292 tp_osd_tp 22191 R 8,192 >>>> 4600404304 16384 30.68 >>>> 1809296.292353 1809296.325300 tp_osd_tp 22191 R 8,192 >>>> 4578343088 16384 32.95 >>>> 1809296.292340 1809296.328013 tp_osd_tp 22191 R 8,192 >>>> 4578055472 16384 35.67 >>>> 1809296.292606 1809296.330518 tp_osd_tp 22191 R 8,192 >>>> 4578581648 16384 37.91 >>>> 1809295.169266 1809296.334041 bstore_kv_fi 17266 WS 8,192 >>>> 4244996360 4096 1164.78 >>>> 1809296.292618 1809296.336349 tp_osd_tp 22191 R 8,192 >>>> 4602631760 16384 43.73 >>>> 1809296.292618 1809296.338812 tp_osd_tp 22191 R 8,192 >>>> 4602632976 16384 46.19 >>>> 1809296.030103 1809296.342780 tp_osd_tp 22180 WS 8,192 >>>> 4741276048 131072 312.68 >>>> 1809296.292347 1809296.345045 tp_osd_tp 22191 R 8,192 >>>> 4609037872 16384 52.70 >>>> 1809296.292620 1809296.345109 tp_osd_tp 22191 R 8,192 >>>> 4609037904 16384 52.49 >>>> 1809296.292612 1809296.347251 tp_osd_tp 22191 R 8,192 >>>> 4578937616 16384 54.64 >>>> 1809296.292621 1809296.351136 tp_osd_tp 22191 R 8,192 >>>> 4612654992 16384 58.51 >>>> 1809296.292341 1809296.353428 tp_osd_tp 22191 R 8,192 >>>> 4578220656 16384 61.09 >>>> 1809296.292342 1809296.353864 tp_osd_tp 22191 R 8,192 >>>> 4578220880 16384 61.52 >>>> 1809295.167650 1809296.358510 bstore_kv_fi 17266 WS 8,192 >>>> 4923695960 4096 1190.86 >>>> 1809296.292347 1809296.361885 tp_osd_tp 22191 R 8,192 >>>> 4607437136 16384 69.54 >>>> 1809296.029363 1809296.367313 tp_osd_tp 22180 WS 8,192 >>>> 4739824400 98304 337.95 >>>> 1809296.292349 1809296.370245 tp_osd_tp 22191 R 8,192 >>>> 4591379888 16384 77.90 >>>> 1809296.292348 1809296.376273 tp_osd_tp 22191 R 8,192 >>>> 4591289552 16384 83.92 >>>> 1809296.292353 1809296.378659 tp_osd_tp 22191 R 8,192 >>>> 4578248656 16384 86.31 >>>> 1809296.292619 1809296.384835 tp_osd_tp 22191 R 8,192 >>>> 4617494160 65536 92.22 >>>> 1809295.165451 1809296.393715 bstore_kv_fi 17266 WS 8,192 >>>> 1355703120 4096 1228.26 >>>> 1809295.168595 1809296.401560 bstore_kv_fi 17266 WS 8,192 >>>> 1122200 4096 1232.96 >>>> 1809295.165221 1809296.408018 bstore_kv_fi 17266 WS 8,192 >>>> 960656 4096 1242.80 >>>> 1809295.166737 1809296.411505 bstore_kv_fi 17266 WS 8,192 >>>> 57682504 4096 1244.77 >>>> 1809296.292352 1809296.418123 tp_osd_tp 22191 R 8,192 >>>> 4579459056 32768 125.77 >>>> >>>> I'm confused why write with O_SYNC must writeback on the backend >>>> storage device? And when I used bcache for a time, >>>> >>>> the latency increased a lot.(The SSD is not very busy), There's some >>>> best practices on configuration? >>>>