Dan Merillat <dan.merillat@xxxxxxxxx> schrieb: >> It works perfectly fine here with latest 3.18. My setup is backing a >> btrfs filesystem in write-back mode. I can reboot cleanly, hard-reset >> upon freezes, I had no issues yet and no data loss. Even after hard-reset >> the kernel logs of both bcache and btrfs were clean, the filesystem was >> clean, just the usual btrfs recovery messages after an unclean shutdown. >> >> I wonder if the SSD and/or the block layer in use may be part of the >> problem: >> >> * if putting bcache on LVM, discards may not be handled well >> * if putting bcache or the backing fs on LVM, barriers may not be >> handled >> well (bcache relies on perfectly working barriers) >> * does the SSD support powerloss protection? (IOW, use capacitors) >> * latest firmware applied? read the changelogs of it? >> >> I'd try to first figure out these differences before looking further into >> debugging. I guess that most consumer-grade drives at least lack a few of >> the important features to use write-back mode, or use bcache at all. >> >> So, to start the list: My SSD is a Crucial MX100 128GB with discards >> enabled (for both bcache and btrfs), using plain raw devices (no LVM or >> MD involved). It supports TRIM (as my chipset does), and it supports >> powerloss- protection and maybe even some internal RAID-like data >> protection layer (whatever that is, it's in the papers). >> >> I'm not sure what a hard-reset technically means to the SSD but I guess >> it is handled as some sort of short powerloss. Reading through different >> SSD firmware update descriptions, I also see a lot words around power-off >> and reset problems being fixed that could lead to data-loss otherwise. >> That could be pretty fatal to bcache as it considers it storage as always >> unclean (probably even in write-through mode). Having damaged data blocks >> out of expected write order (barriers!) could be pretty bad when bcache >> recovers from last shutdown and replays logs. > > Samsung 840-EVO 256GB here, running 4.0-rc7 (was 3.18) > > There's no known issues with TRIM on an 840-EVO, and no powerloss or > anything of the sort occurred. I was seeing excessive write > amplification on my SSD, and enabled discard - then my machine > promptly started lagging, eventually disk access locked up and after a > reboot I was confronted with: I've tried with a Samsung 850 EVO 256GB now, and I don't see those errors on kernel 4.0.4. Discard is enabled, write-back is enabled, reboots work just fine. > [ 276.558692] bcache: journal_read_bucket() 157: too big, 552 bytes, > offset 2047 > [ 276.571448] bcache: prio_read() bad csum reading priorities > [ 276.571528] bcache: prio_read() bad magic reading priorities > [ 276.576807] bcache: error on 804d6906-fa80-40ac-9081-a71a4d595378: > bad btree header at bucket 65638, block 0, 0 keys, disabling caching > [ 276.577457] bcache: register_cache() registered cache device sda4 > [ 276.577632] bcache: cache_set_free() Cache set > 804d6906-fa80-40ac-9081-a71a4d595378 unregistered > > Attempting to check the backingstore (echo 1 > bcache/running): > > [ 687.912987] BTRFS (device bcache0): parent transid verify failed on > 7567956930560 wanted 613690 found 613681 > [ 687.913192] BTRFS (device bcache0): parent transid verify failed on > 7567956930560 wanted 613690 found 613681 > [ 687.913231] BTRFS: failed to read tree root on bcache0 > [ 687.936073] BTRFS: open_ctree failed > > The cache device is not going through LVM or anything of the sort, so > this is a direct failure of bcache. Perhaps due to eraseblock > alignment and assumptions about sizes? Either way, I've got a ton of > data to recover/restore now and I'm unhappy about it. As said, not here. The difference is 840 EVO vs. 850 EVO. AFAIK, bcache had not seen any updates during the 4.0 phase, so it may still be a problem of Samsung's 840 firmware, or maybe something with your SATA chipset or its interaction with the kernel, or with the way your shutdown process works. Regarding your idea about eraseblock alignment or sizes: I've used 2M bucket size and 4k block size again this time. While I didn't find any specs supporting my settings, I found it being more appropriate when looking at specs of other Samsung TLC drives. Bcache ships with defaults of 1M and 2k. Given that difference of both our setups, it may play into the problem. But I suggest that, if it makes a difference, is a problem that the firmware should handle better. It would also make me feel uncomfortable because it tells me that using other settings probably only hides a bug that may still occur, just much less frequent. -- Replies to list only preferred. -- To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-bcache" in the body of a message to majordomo@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html
