Re: RME Multiface and an extra 8 output channels

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On Mon, 13 May 2013, Iain Mott wrote:

I have an RME Multiface I/HDSP PCI card. This gives 8 balanced audio outputs. However I require an extra 8 outputs for a specific project.

I've also looked at my options for expanding beyond 8 analog i/o's on my Multiface II....

One option is to sync two Multiface/HDSP PIC card together. Although not exactly necessary, I understand the extra hdsp card is needed if i wish to use sampling rates higher than 48k which i do. There are some other set up benefits too I gather.

Something to be aware of is that although you can have up to 3 Hammerfall cards in a single computer, they cannot share any kind of bus for monitoring or headphones in TotalMix (or its Linux clone, hdspmixer). You will end up with separate headphone lines, which you may be able to merge with cabling yourself at the expense of a couple of inputs, but that's messy.

Alternatives to getting a second Hammerfall card include:

* Taking advantage of the digital i/o's that you already have... I've had some trouble finding the exact specs of the Multiface I, but on the II, there is an SPDIF digital i/o (2ch. in, 2ch. out), and an ADAT port (8ch. in, 8ch. out). The analogs, the SPDIF, and the ADAT can all be used at the same time, but the catch is that because ADAT itself has a 48kHz limit, there's no way to use the ADAT's at 96kHz unless you bind the 8 i/o's together as 4 virtual i/o's that each combine two channels to get double speed (called SMUX). Since I've seen that the Multiface's analog converters don't really sound right (probably due to filter design) unless you run it at 96kHz, and since it's not possible to run the analog i/o's at 96kHz while you run the digitals at another speed, the net effect of all this boils down to that you're going to want to run at 96kHz, and if you're using the ADAT ports at that speed, you will have to use SMUX even though that will cut you down to 4 ADAT i/o's instead of 8. And the net effect of all that totally is that you have the potential for up to 14 i/o's if you put all the analogs, SMUX'ed-together ADAT's, and the SPDIF l/r pair together and use them all, from one Hammerfall card. Not quite the 16 analog i/o's you'd get from having two Hammerfall's, but at least it all ends up in one unified TotalMix/hdspmixer session with one headphone monitor. There is one further complication: There aren't a lot of 8-channel standalone ADAT AD/DA's out there that I've seen that aren't either rediculous expensive or suspiciously cheap. It's amazing how much you might end up paying for those 4 SMUX'ed i/o's if you go this route. RME themselves make one, but it's one of the expensive ones, and oddly, it costs way more than getting a whole second Hammerfall/Multiface setup even though it does far less. (But again, if you get that second Hammerfall, it will have its own separate busses in TotalMix.)

* You can go with RME MADI, which is MADIly expensive, but has an insane channel count. Sadly, as far as I know, there's no support in Linux for TotalMix or anything like it if you go this route, though it is driver compatible with Alsa and Jack. You just won't have any GUI mixer like hdspmixer, which would kind of stink, especially on such pro-grade hardware.

* You could get someone else's audio hardware, perhaps taking adventage of FFADO to get it done by firewire...but then you'd lose the stability and it-just-works experience that you get from the RME Multiface on Linux. Or you could take a chance on USB, which is becoming more and more popular despite that it reminds me of trying to use a Volkswagon Bug for an Antarctic polar expedition.

All of the above is why, for the moment, I'm just living with my 8 analog i/o's and dealing with it. :-/ At least the analog i/o's the one Multiface comes with just work, and splendidly.

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