Re: [Music] Horror prog: Spiral Torso Op

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On 20/04/13 21:33, Len Ovens wrote:

On Sat, April 20, 2013 12:59 pm, Q wrote:

It's nothing special rhythmically: starts in 11/8, then 10/8, then
free-form, then 10/8 and finally back to 11/8 with the reprise. I tend
not to solo "in time", just continuing a phrase until it ends, wherever
that may be, so I guess that makes it seem a little more complex than it
really is.

Thankyou for the explanation. That explains the feel timing wise. I wasn't
paying that much attention to the beat but just felt it was different. (It
has been a long time since I did much drumming, but I should have caught
it anyway)

I went (mostly) for fairly simple drumming on this and it was a bit difficult to know where to put the boom and the chick with it not being in 4/4.

I guess the fact that it just felt a bit different but didn't scream odd time signature suggests I was successful -- I always try to make things feel natural and not draw attention to the "oddness".

I've not consciously done anything different with my drum processing --
probably just slightly less unskilled use of EQ and compression. Same
for the mix as a whole. Perhaps I'm actually learning.

But I don't have any standard ways of doing things, I just process stuff
in what seems to be the best way at the time that I'm doing it.

I tend to lean towards more sparing use of reverb, although probably not
as sparing as a lot of classic prog from the 70s. I think too little is
probably better than too much, so better to go easy.

It is always good to hear how something was mixed/effected. I am still
just learning. I do tend to go over on the reverb I think, good pointer.


Over-use of reverb is something one sees fairly consistently mentioned as a give-away for an amateur mix. Of course, I suspect there's a wide range of wetness that would be acceptable and just accounted for by different tastes before you start getting into the "definitely too much" territory.

I've just re-opened my session to look at the drum processing. Normally, I only ever use EQ subtractively, but I used a new tool that didn't always allow that. But I think it's all fairly basic high-passing (usually aggressively so on cymbals), scooping out the mids, maybe a bit of a low end tip on the drums, rolling off a bit of high-end on the snare (I don't like them too crispy), maybe a bit of a high end lift on the cymbals, that sort of thing.

I haven't really tried out A3 yet, I am still working with A2 as my DAW. I
don't find it limiting though as I record all analog signals right now. I
have MIDI equipment, but I am still exploring having lots of tracks. When
I was last recording, I had only 4 tracks and so using one for timecode so
I could track drums and some other things as MIDI was worthwhile (almost
20years ago). Having unlimited tracks is a new experience :)


Normally, the only thing I use midi for is over USB to control LinuxSampler or Hammond and Mellotron virtual instruments. I only have three synths with midi capability, everything else pre-dates it. Like you, I record audio played live.

However, I did have to use Ardour's midi capabilities as Hydrogen and Ardour wouldn't play along nicely, with a weird phasing issue on cymbals at tempo changes. So, I exported a midi file from H2, imported it into A3 and drove H2 from Ardour to record the audio.

I've seen people say that "limitless" tracks is a curse, people just pile on many more layers to the detriment of the music. I might be partially guilty of that, but I do feel some genres demand more and it certainly isn't helped by working with non-programmable monophonic synths to build sounds. I have just counted the tracks and busses... yikes, 100! Many of those are disabled and others are bounces of three or four of the disabled ones. I always feel very limited by processing power as a mix draws to a close :-)

Anyway, thanks for listening.
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