On Wed, 2013-02-13 at 09:37 -0500, drew Roberts wrote: > On Tuesday 12 February 2013 18:36:44 Al Thompson wrote: > > On 02/12/2013 11:46 AM, drew Roberts wrote: > > >> It's a necessary consequence of Kinsella's argument that some idiot with > > >> a DVD burner can spend a few hours copying content he didn't create, and > > >> he has exercised his inviolable property right while the people who made > > >> that profit possible -- on the basis of years of training and practice > > >> -- are screwed. > > > > > > Please explain why they are so *ignorant* as to not make those copies > > > themselves and sell them? > > > > Perhaps the composer IS making copies and selling them. That is his > > right, since he owns the copyright. Or perhaps he ISN'T, because he has > > decided for whatever personal reason that he doesn't want the work 'out > > there.' > > > > Explain who either of these situations would give YOU the right to make > > copies of someone else's work and sell them. > > Would it be OK with you if someone made those copies and gave them away > instead of selling them? > > You are assuming the existance of copyright law *and* you are assumning that > it is morally and / or ethically right. You go to far. It is this that you > need to debate here. > > I know I have no way to do this legally as things stand now. But from what I > see, as things stand now, it would not surprise me if a majority of the > people were commiting felonies with respect to copyright law. > > Back in the early 80's, I was a proponent of copyright law in my country when > we basically didn't have one to speak of. At the time, I was more ignorant > and the general state of copyright laws were not as bad. Also, the state of > the world was such that they did not impact normal everyday activities or > regular folks as much. Things have gotten much worse. > > If there were no copyright law, I would certainly have the right to make and > sell copies of published works. Just like these folks are making and selling > copies of books in the public domain: > > http://www.us.penguingroup.com/static/pages/classics/hardcoverclassics/index.html > > You cannot make a case of what is simply right and wrond by pointing to > existing copyright law. You can only make a case for what is legal and > illegal by doing that. > > Unless you care to make the case that every law, everywhere and at all times > has been completely right. > > 1. If people got an automatic copyleft and not an automatic copyright. > 2. If you had to register your work to get a copyright. > 3. If copyright only lasted as long as current day patents. > 4. If copyrgiht was only a civil issue adn not a criminal one. > 5. If the creators could never part with more than 50% of their rights. > ... > > Do you see where I am heading? > > > > > There is a world of material out there that it is legal to copy and sell. > > > How many do it? Why don't you if it is so easy to make money that way? > > > > It's hardly easy to make money by SELLING what is available for FREE. > > Sure, it happens. There are a few places on the internet where you can > > pay to download something (like an owner's manual) that is available FOR > > FREE on the manufacturer's website. Since the manufacturer in this case > > makes it available for free, they aren't really ripping off the > > manufacturer, but I'd say they are ripping off the consumer. > > So, those Penguin folks are ripping off the consumer? I mean, you could > download the books from Project Gutenberg right? Should someone alert the > authorities that they are ripping off the consumers? > > Here is a point you are ignoring. If you can't make money selling things that > are legal to copy and that can be obtained for free. How can you make money > selling things that are illegal to copy but are also available for free via > download however illegally? How do people sell knokcoff CDs and DVDs when > they are available as free downloads? > > all the best, > > drew Full ACK with Drew's opinion :). _______________________________________________ Linux-audio-user mailing list Linux-audio-user@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user
