On Sun, Feb 10, 2013 at 12:49 PM, Ralf Mardorf <ralf.mardorf@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Surely its possible to get an optimized JACK setup working better than it does currently?
I'm not advocating JACK lose any of its options but what I'm thinking is something like this. Lets call the way JACK gets started at present the manual mode and I want to see an auto ('low latency scanner') mode added. On first run, auto-mode would do something equivalent to running a stripped down ecasound that would run a series of tests to determine the best settings (for tracking) that your setup can currently achieve without xruns. It would likely be up to the user to re-run the auto tests when they change hardware unless auto mode scans for that too. Exactly what the test would comprise of I'm not sure but maybe something like simulating a tracking a few tracks w/ plugins added to each. JACK has a dummy audio device so I'm presuming here that it could simulate recording sound too else maybe this is impossible.
I switch audio device several times a day. Sometimes I'll use onboard audio, sometimes I'll use my USB portable hifi output and sometimes I'll be using my Focusrite. They all have their own use cases.
energyXT is in no way comparable in sheer hype and the music tech industry/market interest thats surrounding Bitwig. energyXT is unlikely to be counted in the top 50 DAWs now or at the time of its initial release. Ableton and its offspring Bitwig are a BIG deal for Linux and music tech as a whole as Ableton has enjoyed being one of the most popular music production apps of recent years. Ableton has real market recognition which Bitwig is inheriting and its very likely one of the top 5 most popular music apps today. energyXT?
Whether you're into these sequencers or not, many people are so Bitwig is big news Ralf - BIIIIIIG!!! :D
On Sun, 2013-02-10 at 09:59 +0000, Dan MacDonald wrote:How should it be done to auto-detect the best settings? IMO it's
> * JACK needs to become more plug-and-play. I think its a shame it
> still offers no way to auto-detect optimal settings on any given setup
> and instead the user has to find out what options to tweak then find
> the best settings through trial and error.
impossible.
Surely its possible to get an optimized JACK setup working better than it does currently?
I'm not advocating JACK lose any of its options but what I'm thinking is something like this. Lets call the way JACK gets started at present the manual mode and I want to see an auto ('low latency scanner') mode added. On first run, auto-mode would do something equivalent to running a stripped down ecasound that would run a series of tests to determine the best settings (for tracking) that your setup can currently achieve without xruns. It would likely be up to the user to re-run the auto tests when they change hardware unless auto mode scans for that too. Exactly what the test would comprise of I'm not sure but maybe something like simulating a tracking a few tracks w/ plugins added to each. JACK has a dummy audio device so I'm presuming here that it could simulate recording sound too else maybe this is impossible.
>I experienced this very seldom, but it's true, I at least remember one
> * JACK can still fail to start and just leave the user with some
> pretty cryptic errors as to why it failed.
very strange example on jack devel mailing list a while ago. The output
lead into a completely wrong direction.
Are there many cases when users need to switch the audio device?
> * JACK can't hot swap audio devices and so if the user wants this
> feature they have to integrate PA with JACK which sadly still isn't
> straightforward under many popular distros and then the user has to
> learn about how ALSA, PA and JACK interact.
I switch audio device several times a day. Sometimes I'll use onboard audio, sometimes I'll use my USB portable hifi output and sometimes I'll be using my Focusrite. They all have their own use cases.
> [snip]
>There's already energyXT, but it didn't cause such an explosion.
> In fact, I'm a bit concerned that if Bitwig leads to an explosion of
> commercial apps and plugins for Linux and LA busts out of its niche
> that LA* will suffer a kinda Ubuntu/Android effect where these lists
> will get swamped with newb questions and cause many of our valued
> members to unsubscribe.
energyXT is in no way comparable in sheer hype and the music tech industry/market interest thats surrounding Bitwig. energyXT is unlikely to be counted in the top 50 DAWs now or at the time of its initial release. Ableton and its offspring Bitwig are a BIG deal for Linux and music tech as a whole as Ableton has enjoyed being one of the most popular music production apps of recent years. Ableton has real market recognition which Bitwig is inheriting and its very likely one of the top 5 most popular music apps today. energyXT?
Whether you're into these sequencers or not, many people are so Bitwig is big news Ralf - BIIIIIIG!!! :D
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