On Wed, Oct 10, 2012 at 8:32 PM, Alexandre Prokoudine <alexandre.prokoudine@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
You're right, it wasn't pandering. LV is stating he's not entirely happy with the state of Linux audio and he has every right to be. I think there are very few, if any, people on this list who can honestly say they are totally content with the state of play - I know I'm not entirely happy yet but I think I'm a bit more optimistic than Louigi and I think things have progressed notably, if not hugely, in the last few years.
Louigi wanted feedback and thats what he's getting. Everyones opinion is valid if its realistic and well reasoned which I'd say all the comments have been so far - hopefully that includes me! :)
Of course, and I don't think the app stores are a patch on the 'Debuntu' repos in many ways - prob because apt was well established for well over a decade before app stores became a catchphrase. The amount of dross in the Play market and in Apples store is staggering - I wouldn't even consider the majority of whats available from them as real, useful apps - most are more like installable ads and thinly-veiled spyware. As for commercial software 'app stores' under desktop Linux, Ubuntu's app store seems to be doing pretty well although I must confess I've never tried it as I've yet to hear of any apps I'm interested in buying from it plus I don't run Ubuntu although I've heard people have got it working in other distros now too.
As Louigi rightly stated, up until now nearly all Linux audio users are those who are concerned about software freedom and/or have been burned by Apple or MS so hard they don't want to return to funding the evil empires rather than than being drawn by the quality of the few apps we have. It would be nice if in a few years this trend could change so that people are using Linux to record with because it has become a superior audio production platform but for that we may need Apple to screw up OSX as hard as MS have with Windows 8 and more than just Bitwig + a few extra plugins.
To be honest though, I could care less about world domination for Linux. I'd be happy if it wasn't just outright ignored by hardware manufacturers and they had the good sense to at least co-operate with the Linux community but there lies our chicken & egg.
On Wed, Oct 10, 2012 at 10:41 PM, Dan MacDonald wrote:The way I see it, pleasing Linux users wasn't the point of the article :)
> Back onto LVs article...
>
> He made a number of valid points but I have to agree it was a bit overly
> negative.
You're right, it wasn't pandering. LV is stating he's not entirely happy with the state of Linux audio and he has every right to be. I think there are very few, if any, people on this list who can honestly say they are totally content with the state of play - I know I'm not entirely happy yet but I think I'm a bit more optimistic than Louigi and I think things have progressed notably, if not hugely, in the last few years.
Louigi wanted feedback and thats what he's getting. Everyones opinion is valid if its realistic and well reasoned which I'd say all the comments have been so far - hopefully that includes me! :)
suchlike. Dunno if you noticed, but it's marketplaces and app stores
what's trending today.
Of course, and I don't think the app stores are a patch on the 'Debuntu' repos in many ways - prob because apt was well established for well over a decade before app stores became a catchphrase. The amount of dross in the Play market and in Apples store is staggering - I wouldn't even consider the majority of whats available from them as real, useful apps - most are more like installable ads and thinly-veiled spyware. As for commercial software 'app stores' under desktop Linux, Ubuntu's app store seems to be doing pretty well although I must confess I've never tried it as I've yet to hear of any apps I'm interested in buying from it plus I don't run Ubuntu although I've heard people have got it working in other distros now too.
Think of what could really make a splash in the wider community of
musicians and then see what we have for that, here and now. That will
be a quite working measure of the progress.
As Louigi rightly stated, up until now nearly all Linux audio users are those who are concerned about software freedom and/or have been burned by Apple or MS so hard they don't want to return to funding the evil empires rather than than being drawn by the quality of the few apps we have. It would be nice if in a few years this trend could change so that people are using Linux to record with because it has become a superior audio production platform but for that we may need Apple to screw up OSX as hard as MS have with Windows 8 and more than just Bitwig + a few extra plugins.
To be honest though, I could care less about world domination for Linux. I'd be happy if it wasn't just outright ignored by hardware manufacturers and they had the good sense to at least co-operate with the Linux community but there lies our chicken & egg.
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