Re: First impressions of MusE 2.0

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Hi Hartmut!

On Thu, Sep 13, 2012 at 4:08 PM, Hartmut Noack <zettberlin@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> Thanks for the informative text Dan!

You're (and Ralf) welcome!

>
> Am 10.09.2012 21:47, schrieb Dan MacDonald:
>
>>
>> the full-on icon overload of Rosegarden.
>
> While I agree that in terms of aesthetics RG is not the crown of
> creation I still think, that it is better to have a lot of icons to
> handle a lot of functionality than to be confronted with a good-looking
> concept of a UI-designer who actually believes, he/she knows what I want
> to do and how in any "reasonable" scenario ;-)

In most scenarios I only want to see icons for the most commonly used
stuff. I'm normally happy if I can bind keys to the stuff I use - in
fact thats  often better than an icon for me. Ideally apps should be
able to be fully used just with the mouse or just with the keyboard
and have a customisable GUI to resolve any such arguments but apps
that fulfil all 3 wishes are rare. I'd say that when I used to use RG
I must've only ever used 1/10th of its onscreen icons. Less icons =
more workspace.

>
>> A3 also currently lacks the ability
>> to set gradual changes in tempo
>
> Well, that is not quite correct. Yo can set as many tempo-changes as
> needed for gradual changes resolution only limited by BPM-ticks. This
> method can be a bit crummy if you want to slide tempo frequently in a
> track but it is in fact working OK. The only thing one could miss
> regarding tempo in A3 would be some "swing/humanize" automagic I'd say...

Of course you can probably get your calculator out and make numerous
tempo changes to simulate a gradual change - I realise that but I
don't want to do that. Sequencers are supposed to make the job of
creating music easier and I don't call that workaround easy. I'm sure
Paul or someone will correct me if its no longer the case but last
time I checked you could only change tempo on the first beat of a bar
under A3 so if thats still the case then you may not even be able to
fake a reasonably rapid tempo change well.

>
>
>>
>> Enough about MIDI, what about audio? Reading the Ardour forums and
>> having spent much time in its irc channel, I know that one of the most
>> frequent feature requests is integrated wave editing
>
> To be frank: I do not understand, why this feature seems to be in so big
> need for some Ardour users. The non-destructive editing in A3s regions
> easily competes with any wave-editor not only in the Linux-camp.
> Export/consolidation-automatisms add a lot of the feel of a destructive
> editor too. In a word: I use A3 as my main wave-editor already whenever
> I need more than just a fast cut of a fieldrecording. The only editors I
> also really use are MHWaveedit (unbeatable lean and stable) and yeah...
> well forget... ;-)
>
>> and I'm sure Rui
>> has had more than a few requests for such a feature in qtractor too so
>> I'd say one of the biggest selling points of MusE is that it would
>> seem to be the only Linux DAW to offer integrated audio editing.
>
> really?
>
> To be frank once more: the audiotracks of both Muse and RG are 1995 at
> best. And I did not see big progress in that field in both in many
> years. Though Robert himself makes great recording of hand-played music
> with Muse I still think that the audiotracks in Muse are barely usable.
> Try to cut regions and loop them, try to cut and arrange some 12-16
> tracks as it can be easily done in Qtractor and the same as easy and
> with even much more extra-powers in Ardour.

I never said MusE outclasses Ardour and nor did I say it comes close
to providing all the features of Ardour as far as audio is concerned
because it certainly does not. MusE seems more mature than A3 as a
sequencer though and if I was using external MIDI sound modules I
would likely be using MusE now as my Linux sequencer.

However, not everyone needs the high-end audio features Ardour offers
so if you do more sequencing and only make light use of audio then
MusE could be a better choice for such users than Ardour is. We're all
free to choose what software we use to record with. I'm very happy we
have a choice of Linux DAWs and with a few of them getting seriously
good now too.
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