On Mon, Dec 19, 2011 at 17:57, Fons Adriaensen <fons@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > On Mon, Dec 19, 2011 at 05:00:31PM +0100, Johan Herland wrote: >> Thanks for quantifying this for me. Between the crazy audiophile >> forums and my lack of experience in this field, it's not always easy >> to keep track of how much is good enough, and what is just crazy >> over-engineering. :) > > Be very careful with what you read on 'audiophile' forums. 99% of the > high-end audio business is based on ignorance and hype these days. Thanks. Useful advice. I like to think that I only spend money on stuff for which I have a clear and scientific rationale for why it's worth the money, but it does require a lot of time researching available options and understanding the underlying technologies (don't get me wrong, the learning process is fun as well). However, when you get into the specific implementations and "secret sauce" of chip technologies, it's sometimes impossible to make 100% informed decisions. For example, I'm currently comparing digital amplifier technologies, especially TI Equibit/PurePath HD vs. Diodes/Zetex DDFA (they seem to be the main commercially available contenders in the all-digital HiFi-amp space), but so far there are so many stats and other variables that muddy the waters. At some point I'll just have to listen to the available options, and simply let my ear decide. >> Ok, so I might be able to convert from AES/EBU to SPDIF using a simple >> (maybe even passive) circuit? > > In the worst case it needs some resistors or a small transformer, but > in many cases (RME included) all you need is a correctly wired cable. > That is because the RME outputs are transformer balanced and can be > switched to a lower voltage. > > The delicate point for AES->SPDIF is not the signal level or impedance > (as the AES signal is much stronger than needed anyway), but if the > SPDIF input accepts the AES format. The audio data is identical for > both, but there are also some subcode bits. One of these identifies > the signal as either 'professional' or 'consumer' - this affects the > meaning of some other subcode bits. Some SPDIF inputs will refuse the > stream if the 'pro' bit is set. The RME driver allows to select this > bit (at least in the Windows version, but I suspect also on Linux), > so you're probably safe in that case. This looks promising. It seems I'm closing in on a system looking something like this: - Various HDMI sources connected to an RS-232 controlled HDMI switch with SPDIF output (e.g. http://www.marmitek.com/en/product-details/audio-video-at-home/connect/connect-411.php ). Ideally, I wanted a better method of extracting audio from the HDMI switch, but it seems none are available. - I also have a networked media drive that will be available to the audio PC for direct playback. - An audio PC with the RME HDSPe AES interface, doing surround decoding, volume control, room correction, and crossover in software, and outputting 2-channels-per-speaker mixed PCM data on the available AES/EBU outputs. - Running one AES XLR cable to each speaker position, where each (2-way) speaker has a dedicated 2-channel digi-amp/powerDAC that does the final conversion to the analog speaker inputs. - I'm currently looking at digi-amps from SUMOH ( http://sumoh.com/index-2.html ), which seem to offer a nice tradeoff between price and performance, although my search is far from over. I currently have a 5.1 speaker system, so I'll need 5 amps (running the subwoofer through its own analog amp for now). Given that I already have the audio PC (minus audio interface), and the HDMI switch is on its way, a quick calculation puts me somewhere near €2500, which is in line with what I'd originally estimated for this project. That should give me a good starting point for playing around with the software, especially the room correction and crossover configurations. I'll also be quite flexible hardware-wise: - Expanding to 7.1 (requires a total of 7x2 (+ 1) channels, which the RME card will handle; then simply add 2 speakers and 2 amps). - Upgrading one amp at a time, and experimenting with different amps for different speakers (e.g. putting some more money in the front speaker amps, since those are more "important" than the surround speakers). Thanks again for all your help. Have fun! :) ...Johan -- Johan Herland, <jherland@xxxxxxxxx> www.herland.net _______________________________________________ Linux-audio-user mailing list Linux-audio-user@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user
