i don't really want to argue this too much, but i do think that its pretty fallacious to propose that because Arch makes it relatively easy (like gentoo) to wrap the use of an svn repository in a package-related system that users of the result of this process will understand that there is really no difference between an explicit checkout of svn and management of one's repository, and the package-related tool version. the alpha testers for a3 to date have all been extremely clear that you don't bother checking it out unless you intend to (a) get on the commit mailing list (b) regularly svn update (possibly a few times a day on days when they are testing). i understand (now) that there is nothing about the pkgbuild system in Arch that prevents either of these two from still being the case. however, i don't believe that even a majority of people who use the method will understand the need for (a) and (b) or even just the general nature of what they're connected to. there were 16 commits to svn within the last 20 hours. some of these were deep changes to the way things work (though hopefully not resulting in any visible breakage, we don't know, which is why its not released yet). do you really think that arch linux users who are using a pkgbuild to try this out have any grasp of what is going on? maybe the answer, your answer, is "yes". i'm quite a bit more skeptical. _______________________________________________ Linux-audio-user mailing list Linux-audio-user@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx http://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user