From: Patrick Shirkey <pshirkey@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: linux-audio-user <linux-audio-user@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Sun, August 29, 2010 4:13:08 AM
Subject: Re: re Subconscious Affecting Music
On Fri, August 27, 2010 12:21 pm, david wrote:
> I asked a friend of mine, who's rather intellectual about music, about
> the book someone mentioned in this thread, of ancient Greek thought on
> the effect of music on the mind:
>
>> I have heard of it, and read about it, but that isn't the work one
>> would cite if you were looking for a scientific study of the effects
>> of music on the subconscious mind.
Looking for a scientific study of the effects of music......
Now that I've reread that statement, I would have to strongly disagree with the friend.
Dog whistles-- has anyone ever heard the high pitched frequency of a dog whistle? So how did we know that dog whistles produced high frequency sound before the invention of the oscilloscope? Was it not the 'effect' of the dog whistle on dogs that was observed? And from this repeatable observation of dogs' reactions to a blown dog whistle, modern western science was able to 'prove' that dog whistles actually produced a sound.
We refer to this procedure of inferring and proving something exists (through repeatable experimentation) when that something cannot be detected directly by the five human senses as the modern western scientific method.
Now, where did this modern western scientific method come from? The Ancient Greeks. You know, the guys who brought us the proof that air exists by means of their experiments with the 'water thief' gourd.
The Ancient Greeks, who also brought us the principles of rhetoric. I don't recall the reference, but I remember that one of their best orators would have a musician playing along with his speech. He would use rhetoric and the emotion evoking power of the music to completely influence his hearers. One of the earliest forms of brain washing, if you will.
Best,
Stephen.
Sent: Sun, August 29, 2010 4:13:08 AM
Subject: Re: re Subconscious Affecting Music
On Fri, August 27, 2010 12:21 pm, david wrote:
> I asked a friend of mine, who's rather intellectual about music, about
> the book someone mentioned in this thread, of ancient Greek thought on
> the effect of music on the mind:
>
>> I have heard of it, and read about it, but that isn't the work one
>> would cite if you were looking for a scientific study of the effects
>> of music on the subconscious mind.
Looking for a scientific study of the effects of music......
Now that I've reread that statement, I would have to strongly disagree with the friend.
Dog whistles-- has anyone ever heard the high pitched frequency of a dog whistle? So how did we know that dog whistles produced high frequency sound before the invention of the oscilloscope? Was it not the 'effect' of the dog whistle on dogs that was observed? And from this repeatable observation of dogs' reactions to a blown dog whistle, modern western science was able to 'prove' that dog whistles actually produced a sound.
We refer to this procedure of inferring and proving something exists (through repeatable experimentation) when that something cannot be detected directly by the five human senses as the modern western scientific method.
Now, where did this modern western scientific method come from? The Ancient Greeks. You know, the guys who brought us the proof that air exists by means of their experiments with the 'water thief' gourd.
The Ancient Greeks, who also brought us the principles of rhetoric. I don't recall the reference, but I remember that one of their best orators would have a musician playing along with his speech. He would use rhetoric and the emotion evoking power of the music to completely influence his hearers. One of the earliest forms of brain washing, if you will.
Best,
Stephen.
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