Am 08.07.2010 16:48, schrieb Mark Knecht:
On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 4:25 PM, Hartmut Noack<zettberlin@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
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All 3: wrong if you really wanted to see the show. If it would be the
Rolling Stones I would sneak in if I can, out of couriosity but I would not
complain, if someone would come and throw me out. If I want to see a
concert, I pay for it. If the venue/artist charges too much money for my
taste I loose my interest in the concert...
So, it wrong but you'd do it anyway as long as what, no one gets hurt?
I suspect you wouldn't spray the guard at the door with anything that
knocked him out for 30 seconds, or you wouldn't hire a very pretty
girl to distract him so he wasn't watching the entry.
Does the penalty matter? If they throw you out then you'd sneak in,
but if they break your hand then you wouldn't?
Penalties aren't really fair to talk about if we're just discussing right/wrong.
4) A friend purchases a DVD of a movie that cost $1M to make but
brought in $1B at the box office. You rip a copy. Right or wrong.
5) A friend purchases a DVD of a movie that cost $1B to make but
brought in $1M at the box office. You rip a copy. Right or wrong?
Both acceptable. If "a friend" is someone from my hood there is nothing
wrong in that. It is not illegal in Germany to make up to 6 private copies
and if it would be illegal it would still be OK and the law would be subject
to be changed. Because helping a neighbor is more important for the
civilisation than keeping virtual properties untouched. And by doing this
you do not establish a world-wide anonymous infrastructure to distribute
copies to people, you dont know.
This may sound like cheap semantics but it is not.
OK - There are local norms which may change the answers to some extent
around the world. That's cool, although I'd ask what Germany means by
a 'private copy'.
It is not forbidden to make up to 6 copies for friends and neighbors as
long as you do not use technology that is made to break copy-protection.
Such technology must be officially labeled illegal to make the copy
itself an illegal one.So if copy-protection works by manipulating the
TOC of a CD to make it unreadable in CD-ROM Drives, it is perfectly
legal to copy this CD using a software that is made to repair a broken
TOC. Such copies are allowed only if you own the original. Second
generation is not legal.
Even our U.S. DRM laws allow one copy of digital
material for 'archival purposes' so TTBOMK I'm allowed to copy my DVD
for safe keeping. However I'm not (to the best of my knowledge)
allowed to loan out the copy. Only the original.
So, it's OK for _any_ individual to break _any_ law which _that_
individual deems it 'should be changed'?
How did we 'help the neighbor' in this case? Couldn't your friend have
simply loaned you the DVD, you watch it and give it back when you're
done?
I very much like your picture of 'virtual properties'. That's worth
some extra thought.
6) Some bad guys rob a bank but in fleeing the scene of the crime
throw money out the window to put people in the way of the police
chasing them. You are standing on the sidewalk when $1000 lands at
your feet. You pick it up and don't turn it in. Right or wrong?
7) Some bad guys rob a bank but in fleeing the scene of the crime
throw money out the window to put people in the way of the police
chasing them. You are standing on the sidewalk when $1000 lands at
your feet. It is raining and you see lots of money getting washed down
the storm drain where it will likely never be found. You pick it up
and don't turn it in. Right or wrong?
Both wrong. Everybody knows, that most banks are semi-criminal, antisocial
organisations. They are, because they exist in a system that is utterly
broken -- the same as broken as ASCAP and GEMA. So at first glance it looks
like: take the darn money and run! And this idea has some appeal to me too.
But in the end: if I take the money and run, I am not that much better than
the capitalist crooks that live by the rule: "take what you can, by any
means, allways, never give anything back!". This antisocial
quasi-darwininistic philosophy is exactly the very foundation of most of the
problems, we have today.
And on the other hand it would feel just great to see the faces if I'd walk
into the bank to return my catch. A person, they do not trust enough to hand
out a credit-card that pushes 1000,- at the table saying: "Take it, its
yours. I found it in the gutter the other day, right after the robbery."
Maybe I would keep the money anyway - it depends on the actual state of my
own account. But I would feel a bit like corrupted, if I would keep it....
best regs
HZN
I hadn't thought of the parallels with credit cards. Interesting.
Thanks very much for the answers!
Cheers,
Mark
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