Re: Fractally fuzzy music?

[Patrick Shirkey <pshirkey@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

On 02/24/2010 10:25 PM, Peter Geirnaert wrote:

Hi weirdo's

On Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 10:44 AM, Folderol <folderol@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

On Tue, 23 Feb 2010 17:19:34 -1000
david <gnome@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

> I've thought about a "music" in which notes might have "fractal
> fuzziness" to them - for example, what looks like a quarter note is
> really 8 simultaneous (or non-simultaneous) 32nd notes, each having a
> frequency that is some fractally-derived distance from the base quarter
> note's frequency, and perhaps their timing/duration could also be
> fractally derived ... I don't suppose someone knows of such a thing
> already being done?

Sounds an interesting idea, but I would think it'd be a nightmare to
produce!

Reminds me of these 2 open-source projects:
http://rationale.sourceforge.net and http://www.rubato.org

Here's a description about Rubato someone sent me a while ago: (:-))

Quote:
"The Rubato project is actually a Mathematical Category Theory
computational/logic framework/language with a music interface.  It is pretty
hairy, even after having read Mazzola's book and his student's dissertations.
It could certainly stand some examples.

Apparently, the Rubato project started at CERN (Yeah, the Swiss giant physics
thing!) and the idea underlying it is that music is a language.  Language, not
in the imprecise way ordinary humans create and understand music, but a language
capable of precise _expression_ of multidimensional physical and mathematical
concepts.  A natural question would be WHO (or What?) would use such a language?
 Of course, then one wonders how the Europeans could be convinced to fund and
build the facilities at CERN as it represents a big fraction of the GDP and
available energy resources?  It starts to bring to mind movies like 'Close
Encounters of the Third Kind' and 'Contact'.

I have not been in direct contact with the Rubato group as first I wanted to
determine if this stuff was real or bullshit.  Odds are that it is real, or at
least some of it is.

The whole Mathematical Category area is really strange.  First the ages of many
of the key authors - you'll have to discover that for yourself because it is the
only way you will believe it.  Then their is the apparent aversion to concrete
examples which lends an air of mystery about it all.  And then the places these
guys just happen to show up and when.

It is funny where an interest in music and audio synthesis can lead!"

I didn't really investigate this kind of software any further, but if you do, please share the insights/results.
I'd love to know more about it!

This all makes sense when looked at with String Theory goggles on.

IIUC, the main point in String theory is that everything is a composed of strings vibrating at different frequencies.

Hence it follows that music created according to the laws of String Theory could be used to describe the universe at it's deepest levels.

Fractal music defintely has a place in that approach. I would love to have it running alongside Electricsheep. That would be a very cool immersive experience.

For those who haven't spent any time looking at the amazing electricsheep it is well worth the time. It's a very eye opening experience. It would also make a good place to start from with fractal music generation.

Patrick Shirkey
Boost Hardware Ltd

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