Am 10.07.2009 um 20:30 schrieb Justin Smith <noisesmith@xxxxxxxxx>: > On Fri, Jul 10, 2009 at 11:12 AM, drew Roberts<zotz@xxxxxxxxxxx> > wrote:>> On Friday 10 July 2009 13:24:57 you wrote:>>> 2009/7/10 Burkhard Wölfel <versuchsanstalt@xxxxxx>:>>>> Am 10.07.2009 um 16:28 schrieb drew Roberts <zotz@xxxxxxxxxxx>:>>>>> Just for fun:>>>>>>>>>> http://classicalconvert.com/2007/07/the-stupidest-music-lawsuit-ever-inf>>>>> ringing-on-cages-433/>>>>> http://archives.cnn.com/2002/SHOWBIZ/Music/09/23/uk.silence/>>>>>>>> Thanks for the links. I am sure Cage would have laughed about the>>>> lawsuit. Who knows if Ed. Peters would have sued if he were still >>>> alive.>>>>>>>> What the articles are missing, and I think that is an important >>>> aspect>>>> of the work, is the various reactions of the audience when 4'33 is>>>> performed. If you have the chance to listen (sic!) to such a>>>> performance, don't miss it. Bear in mind that modern audiences are>>>> usually informed about the nature of the piece and you are not >>>> likely>>>> to witness very angry reactions. The grotesque aspect of it gets >>>> far>>>> more attention today.>>>>>>>> By the way, did you know that all four movements are available on>>>> iTunes? 0,99€ each, as you would expect.>>>>>>>> Again, I am sure he'd have laughed about it, happy about the >>>> discussion.>>>>>>>> Oh yes, and did you know also that Cage did not listen to recorded>>>> music at all?>>>>>>>> - Burkhard>>>>>>>>> drew>>>>>>>>>> On Friday 10 July 2009 02:13:46 Arnold Krille wrote:>>>>>> On Thursday 09 July 2009 23:12:09 drew Roberts wrote:>>>>>>> On Thursday 09 July 2009 13:10:08 you wrote:>>>>>>>> We could call it 4'33">>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yeah but there could well be copyright issues if one person >>>>>>> quotes>>>>>>> another person's nothing.>>>>>>>>>>>> No, until now citations are allowed if they stay within >>>>>> reasonable>>>>>> size>>>>>> compared to the original. So you aren't allowed to quote the full>>>>>> silence>>>>>> but quoting short extracts from empty mails is okay... (*)>>>>>>>>>>>> Arnold>>>>>>>>>>>> (*) Of course, german newspapers are working towards making >>>>>> citations>>>>>> non-free of charge. :-/>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________>>>>> Linux-audio-user mailing list>>>>> Linux-audio-user@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>>>>> http://lists.linuxaudio.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-audio-user>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________>>>> Linux-audio-user mailing list>>>> Linux-audio-user@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>>>> http://lists.linuxaudio.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-audio-user>>>>>> The lawsuit was not stupid. They credited Cage as a composer, and>>> seeing as he had nothing to do with making the piece, they could >>> have>>> at least gotten permission to use the composition they were>>> referencing if they were going to use his name on their work.>>>> Seems the proper thing to do might have been to demand that the >> credit be>> removed unless the actual silence was indeed sampled... ~;-) Rather >> than to>> demand payment as if he was involved with the making of the piece. >> Or???>>>> all the best,>>>> drew>>>> IIRC, they did demand the removal of the Cage credit. The damages were> for the albums sold where Cage was falsely credited / his composition> was used without prior permission (which of the two occurred is of> course ambiguous). At no point was the idea of "sampling" an issue. Oh, I see. Thank you for pointing that out. >> If I did a track where I played ten consecutive notes from a Jimi> Hendrix solo, nobody would notice or care. If I co-credited Jimi> Hendrix as a composer on the liner notes without arranging (and most> likely paying for) prior permission, you should expect his estate's> lawyers would want to talk to me about this. And if people were buying> the album because Jimi Hendrix's name was on it, the Hendrix estate> would have every right to sue for damages. How is this case any> different? Exactly. - Burkhard> _______________________________________________> Linux-audio-user mailing list> Linux-audio-user@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> http://lists.linuxaudio.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-audio-user _______________________________________________Linux-audio-user mailing listLinux-audio-user@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx://lists.linuxaudio.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-audio-user
