-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 First: I think, I have to apologize to all those, who felt offended by my quite speedy first post on this topic, after giving it some more thinking, I cannot uphold my former condamnation of beat-detectors anymore. Such tools can be used very well for making real music and they are not a toy by default. But very often, such tools are being abused - the same as drumkits or saxophones or guitars are.... Fons Adriaensen schrieb: > On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 08:30:32PM +0100, Frank Barknecht wrote: > > The first is the value of adding beats to music > that wasn't meant to have them. In 9/10 cases this leads to crap, true. But it does not need to yield tasteless dance-versions of music, that is much better without such additives. > The second is why one would reduce the natural > rythm of any piece of music to a regular beat. 1.: every music has a rhythmic structure, though many great pieces do not work with a straight 4/4 beat. So, if a detection tool is able to analyze the rhythmic essence of say: Wagners overture for the Rheingold, it could help to produce a very interesting musical comment to this piece of music without destroying its initial qualities. 2.: I can do *anything* I want to my own music. If I made a demo-recording with a band, that has split up and I want to finish that piece, I could use a rhythm-analyzer to get an adequate basis to use the demo in a new context and thus to complete the piece without loosing the original feel by using simple estimations of BPM-figures to add new percussive sounds or bass using a sequencer. Of course: 2.: can be achieved also by actually play new stuff to the piece. But if somebody has get the impression, that I generally abhor the usage of a sequencer, this impression is wrong: using sequencers to make music is the same as using written notes or a guitar. I abhor to make music or listen to music, that is constructed out of pre-configured patterns, that you can buy to sound like everybody else in the single-top-ten. > Another reason - without wanting to comment > on the OP's musical abilities which I don't > know - is just incompetence - the inability > to handle a piece of music unless it has a > simple regular rythmic structure. I don't know, if "incompetence" is really the exact term. I'd rather say: "lack of artistic attitude" - if someone is really that numb to be disappointed, if a good beat-detector does not find a way, to make classical gamelan-music sound like 4/4 dance-music, then the problem is not incompetence but lack of feeling for the worth of music. And a good beat-detector would be one, that finds out, that classical gamelan is neither 4/4 nor 140BPM but polyrhythmic and delicately changing speed throughout the composition. And I would be disappointed, if the detector would offer to add straight beat to a gamelan-piece.... > A drummer > or percussionist worth the name can add beats > to whatever is thrown at him, regular or not. And so should a beat-detector... best regards HZN -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkmYVFkACgkQ1Aecwva1SWNvWQCeIMROx5fem2RyAqpIN6VRPtsM bRcAn20fEDf7yNUusqNbe+VV8qHVHmQB =uK23 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- _______________________________________________ Linux-audio-user mailing list Linux-audio-user@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx http://lists.linuxaudio.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-audio-user
