drew Roberts wrote: > On Saturday 13 September 2008 23:30:52 david wrote: >> drew Roberts wrote: >>> On Saturday 13 September 2008 01:27:37 david wrote: >>>> drew Roberts wrote: >>>>> On Friday 12 September 2008 15:14:03 Bob van der Poel wrote: >>>>>> On Fri, Sep 12, 2008 at 06:50:42PM +0200, Grammostola Rosea wrote: >>>>>>>>> When you give a course it cost you: time, traveling costs >>>>>>>>> (Brussels > R'dam) organization, making a course book (and copy >>>>>>>>> it?) and linux audio usage, educational and presentation skills.... >>>>>>>>> that could deserve some money.... >>>>>>>> I agree. OTOH, one reason why the course is given in >>>>>>>> English in the centre of the Dutch/Flemish language >>>>>>>> region may be that a lot of the course material is >>>>>>>> just copied from material available on the web. >>>>>>>> In that case I just hope that Mr. Moors has all >>>>>>>> the copyright issues sorted out. >>>>>> Really, what is the problem here? >>>>>> >>>>>> If you think the course is too expensive ... don't go. >>>>>> >>>>>> If you can do better ... offer your own course. >>>>>> >>>>>> If you want to teach for free then do so; if you want to get paid, >>>>>> then charge. >>>>>> >>>>>> If you don't want your stuff copied off the web and used in a >>>>>> commercial manner: don't post or affix a "not for commercial use" >>>>>> copyright. BTW, the GNU licence doesn't support this so you'll have to >>>>>> use a different one (correct me if I'm wrong). >>>>>> >>>>>> Isn't the whole point of freedom the ability to do what you want to >>>>>> do? >>>>>> >>>>>> I have donated a lot of software over the years ... and I've sold >>>>>> stuff as well. But, one thing I will not do anymore is to play for >>>>>> free. Too many times I've done just that for some good cause which >>>>>> doesn't have any budget this year ... and then next year, when they do >>>>>> have some money, they hire and pay someone from out-of-town. I'm sure >>>>>> the same applies to teaching. >>>>> We all likely tend to develop our own rules of thumb over the years. I >>>>> try not do do any windows tech support gratis for friends and family >>>>> anymore. I have moved away from windows to avoid those problems and >>>>> paid the price in various ways to do so. I don't see why I should pay >>>>> for them not doing so. >>>>> >>>>>> Please don't confuse freedom and free beer! >>>>> Indeed. Also, look at the speaking fees famous people get. I am sure a >>>>> part of the fee goes to being able to say you rubbed shoulders with >>>>> that famous person as opposed to the content of the speech you heard. >>>>> >>>>> And as someone has already pointed out in another way, if this course >>>>> is successful, everyone now has a model to follow should they wish to >>>>> do so. >>>>> >>>>> Re playing for free for charities and the like. Perhaps do so with a >>>>> bill that comes due should they pay another act in the future? (If you >>>>> value the charity that is.) >>>> No, that probably wouldn't go anywhere. Better to work out a *price* >>>> with the charity (based on how much you might charge normally) - and >>>> make it a donation and documented as such by the charity. Then you get a >>>> tax benefit (at least in the US). >>> Got you. I would have no such tax incentives here though. >> What - you mean you can't deduct charitable contributions wherever you >> live? > > Correct. Probably because we have nothing to deduct it from as we pay no > income tax here in the first place. Lucky guy. >>> However, doing it >>> the way you say would only give you the tax advantage and might still >>> leave you miffed next year when they actually pay out of town talent as >>> in the original example right? Or am I missing something key? >> Well, it would seem to me that if you give them a good, successful >> performance that they like - you've done the best you can to avoid being >> replaced with out-of-town talent next year. I think you'll have also >> laid a good foundation for getting paid next year. I've been to a number >> of charitable/non-profit organization events that had the same band(s) >> from year to year because their members really liked them. >> >> Also - you performed before a good sized group of people. If they liked >> your performance, you've increased the number of mouths available to >> pass on good words about you to others they come in contact with. >> >> Also - I wouldn't be surprised if an organization unwilling to pay the >> piper this year won't be willing to pay the piper next year. So why >> worry if they pick someone else? If you charged them for next year, >> sounds like they might pick someone else who would do the show free, >> anyway. > > Good points. You don't have to convince me though. It was someone else who > made the initial statement we are discussing. I just was trying to get your > answers to match better with the initial conditions. That's part of the fun of multi-tangled emails! Will put this back on the list so whomever original started it can hear it. >>> I can see how your idea could work for a person in a high tax bracket and >>> who charged at the high end of their normal rates who would normally give >>> a reduced rate to the charity. >> I suppose it depends on where you live and how much you make - but worth >> consulting your local tax advisors about, if you're performing for a >> living. > > Personally, I don't have local tax advisors nor do I perform for a living. I > have enjoyed the idea exchange though. Cool. -- David gnome@xxxxxxxxxxxxx authenticity, honesty, community _______________________________________________ Linux-audio-user mailing list Linux-audio-user@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx http://lists.linuxaudio.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-audio-user
