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Re: Notation: The State of the Mess (Bob van der > Poel) > 2. Re: Notation: The State of the Mess (Grammostola > Rosea) > 3. Re: Notation: The State of the Mess (Grammostola > Rosea) > 4. Re: Notation: The State of the Mess (svoufff at free) > 5. Re: Notation: The State of the Mess (Stephen Doonan) > 6. Re: Notation: The State of the Mess (David Baron) > 7. Re: Notation: The State of the Mess (Bob van der > Poel) > 8. Re: Notation: The State of the Mess (Bob van der > Poel) > 9. Re: Notation: The State of the Mess (Philippe > Hezaine) > 10. Re: Notation: The State of the Mess (Atte Andr? > Jensen) > 11. Re: Drum samples (Grammostola Rosea) > 12. Re: Drum samples (Edgar Aichinger) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sun, 07 Sep 2008 10:17:30 -0700 > From: Bob van der Poel <bob@xxxxxxxxxxxx> > Subject: Re: Notation: The State of the Mess > To: Atte Andr? Jensen <atte.jensen@xxxxxxxxx> > Cc: linux-audio-user@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > Message-ID: <48C40CAA.7010305@xxxxxxxxxxxx> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; > format=flowed > > > > Atte Andr? Jensen wrote: > > Bob van der Poel wrote: > > <snip> > >> ...when I have serious (or fun) work to do I write > my score with MUP. > > > > Could you elaborate abit about why you choose mup over > lilypond? > > > > I'll probably get flamed by the lilypond guys ... but: > > I did spend some time with a number of products in 2004 and > wrote this > review: > > http://mellowood.ca/mup/mup-review.html > > I know things have changed since then. But, I figure that > so long as > something works I'll continue to use it :) > > Biggest concerns for me: > > - I find the syntax of mup much easier. I am quick to > point out that > this might just be a case of "what one knows". > MUP is certainly less > verbose. > > - mup handles transposition very well. I'm not sure > if lily does now > (it didn't last time I checked). > > It is quite possible that the final output from a lily > score may be > better. But to my eyes the stuff I get from mup is very > good. > > These days I don't do band scores anymore with multiple > parts, etc. > Mostly I do lead sheets which I need to print in various > keys (for Bb, > Eb, etc). I've got an automated tool chain for this and > can crank out a > custom score from a fakebook with lyrics, melody and chord > names in 20 > to 40 minutes. > > My biggest sadness with mup is that the authors have NOT > decided to open > source the product. Certainly, that is their right and > I'll not argue > that they must or should. They do regular updates and > respond to user > requests and questions. But, one has to wonder if the > product would > develop more quickly if more folk were able to hack at it. > > Hope this helps. > > -- > **** Listen to my CD at > http://www.mellowood.ca/music/cedars **** > Bob van der Poel ** Wynndel, British Columbia, CANADA ** > EMAIL: bob@xxxxxxxxxxxx > WWW: http://www.mellowood.ca > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Sun, 07 Sep 2008 20:58:52 +0200 > From: Grammostola Rosea <rosea.grammostola@xxxxxxxxx> > Subject: Re: Notation: The State of the Mess > Cc: linux-audio-user@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > Message-ID: <48C4246C.4020701@xxxxxxxxx> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; > format=flowed > > Bob van der Poel wrote: > > Atte Andr? Jensen wrote: > > > >> Bob van der Poel wrote: > >> <snip> > >> > >>> ...when I have serious (or fun) work to do I > write my score with MUP. > >>> > >> Could you elaborate abit about why you choose mup > over lilypond? > >> > >> > > > > I'll probably get flamed by the lilypond guys ... > but: > > > > I did spend some time with a number of products in > 2004 and wrote this > > review: > > > > http://mellowood.ca/mup/mup-review.html > > > > I know things have changed since then. But, I figure > that so long as > > something works I'll continue to use it :) > > > > Biggest concerns for me: > > > > - I find the syntax of mup much easier. I am quick > to point out that > > this might just be a case of "what one > knows". MUP is certainly less > > verbose. > > > > - mup handles transposition very well. I'm not > sure if lily does now > > (it didn't last time I checked). > > > > It is quite possible that the final output from a lily > score may be > > better. But to my eyes the stuff I get from mup is > very good. > > > > These days I don't do band scores anymore with > multiple parts, etc. > > Mostly I do lead sheets which I need to print in > various keys (for Bb, > > Eb, etc). I've got an automated tool chain for > this and can crank out a > > custom score from a fakebook with lyrics, melody and > chord names in 20 > > to 40 minutes. > > > > My biggest sadness with mup is that the authors have > NOT decided to open > > source the product. Certainly, that is their right and > I'll not argue > > that they must or should. They do regular updates and > respond to user > > requests and questions. But, one has to wonder if the > product would > > develop more quickly if more folk were able to hack at > it. > > > > > I did know the existence of MUP, but I did not consider to > use it.... > The notation apps on linux seems to be more orientated > towards Lilypond > (even for tablature: tuxguitar). So my choice was not > difficult and at > the end (with all the notation apps (gui's) on linux in > mind) I think > Lilypond will be the easiest solution... > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Sun, 07 Sep 2008 21:28:56 +0200 > From: Grammostola Rosea <rosea.grammostola@xxxxxxxxx> > Subject: Re: Notation: The State of the Mess > To: linux-audio-user@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > Message-ID: <48C42B78.8080804@xxxxxxxxx> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; > format=flowed > > Grammostola Rosea wrote: > > Bob van der Poel wrote: > > > >> Atte Andr? Jensen wrote: > >> > >> > >>> Bob van der Poel wrote: > >>> <snip> > >>> > >>> > >>>> ...when I have serious (or fun) work to do > I write my score with MUP. > >>>> > >>>> > >>> Could you elaborate abit about why you choose > mup over lilypond? > >>> > >>> > >>> > >> I'll probably get flamed by the lilypond guys > ... but: > >> > >> I did spend some time with a number of products in > 2004 and wrote this > >> review: > >> > >> http://mellowood.ca/mup/mup-review.html > >> > >> I know things have changed since then. But, I > figure that so long as > >> something works I'll continue to use it :) > >> > >> Biggest concerns for me: > >> > >> - I find the syntax of mup much easier. I am > quick to point out that > >> this might just be a case of "what one > knows". MUP is certainly less > >> verbose. > >> > >> - mup handles transposition very well. I'm > not sure if lily does now > >> (it didn't last time I checked). > >> > >> It is quite possible that the final output from a > lily score may be > >> better. But to my eyes the stuff I get from mup is > very good. > >> > >> These days I don't do band scores anymore with > multiple parts, etc. > >> Mostly I do lead sheets which I need to print in > various keys (for Bb, > >> Eb, etc). I've got an automated tool chain for > this and can crank out a > >> custom score from a fakebook with lyrics, melody > and chord names in 20 > >> to 40 minutes. > >> > >> My biggest sadness with mup is that the authors > have NOT decided to open > >> source the product. Certainly, that is their right > and I'll not argue > >> that they must or should. They do regular updates > and respond to user > >> requests and questions. But, one has to wonder if > the product would > >> develop more quickly if more folk were able to > hack at it. > >> > >> > >> > > I did know the existence of MUP, but I did not > consider to use it.... > > The notation apps on linux seems to be more orientated > towards Lilypond > > (even for tablature: tuxguitar). So my choice was not > difficult and at > > the end (with all the notation apps (gui's) on > linux in mind) I think > > Lilypond will be the easiest solution... > > > > > > > Edit: another reason to learn lilypond is the fact that it > is able to > handle notation, drum notation and tablature. I think there > is no > notation editor on linux (with gui) which can do that. So > my advice, > learn lilypond with the help of lilypondtool and lilykde > and when you > can do with it what you want to do, consider to use one of > the available > gui's for it... or not... > If you first work all the time with one of the gui's, > it will be hard to > edit something fast you wasn't able to do with you gui > without some > basic knowledge of lilypond in my opinion... > > So stay 'sick' home for a week and make sure you > are able to work with > lilypond at the end of that week , and I promise you, you > will feel much > better ;) > > For the dutch people, I found a nice tutorial/ handleiding > by the maker > of lilykde: > http://www.wilbertberendsen.nl/cursus_lilypond > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Sun, 07 Sep 2008 23:55:33 +0400 > From: svoufff at free <svoufff@xxxxxxx> > Subject: Re: Notation: The State of the Mess > To: Atte Andr? Jensen > <atte.jensen@xxxxxxxxx>, linux-audio-user > <linux-audio-user@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> > Message-ID: <1220817333.23594.75.camel@ours> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > Yes i work on Sibelius almost everyday along linuxsampler > to hear my > scores. > I'm on Ubuntu Hardy with RT kernel 2.6.24-19-rt. > Sibelius 4.1.5 > Wine 1.0 > LS 5.1 > I installed Sibelius as usual then i trhrown the file > gdiplus.dll in > ~/.wine/drive_c/windows/system32 > I also put in that folder the files mfc42.dll, msvcirt.dll > and > msvcp60.dll but don't recall if that was really for > sibelius or another > win-app > I installed the msttcorefonts package > On wine config, audio section, i had to choose only alsa > driver. > > Then this is time to start everything : > -start jack > -start LS and load some sounds, connect LS in jack if > it's not done > automatically > -start Sibelius.Go to Play/Playback & Input Devices.In > front of the > device you wanna use you have a yes/no (the "use" > column).Single-click > or double -click or triple-click...til you have a > "yes".You won't have > to do it again if you start the device (LS in my case) > before Sibelius. > > Everything should be ready.Here's a webpage at winehq > that helped me : > http://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=version&iId=8340 > > 98% is working, it's a great app. > Otherwise, > sometimes its's slow and consumes much CPU (graphic > refresh problem > probably). > Texts objects are tricky to point at.That's THE > annoying thing. > Texts of more than one line are not displayed properly.That > unfortunately include time signatures.If you work on 4/4 > you can choose > C instead but for other metrics you have to hide it then > write a the > numbers with normal text style. > > Well that's all i think.Hope you can get it running. > > > Le dimanche 07 septembre 2008 ? 14:11 +0200, Atte Andr? > Jensen a ?crit : > > David Baron wrote: > > > Very little has progressed since the last thread > here. > > > > A sidestep: > > > > Has anyone been able to run sibelius under linux? If > so, what steps did > > you have to follow? > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Sun, 07 Sep 2008 14:05:51 -0600 > From: Stephen Doonan <stephen.doonan@xxxxxxxxx> > Subject: Re: Notation: The State of the Mess > Cc: linux-audio-user@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > Message-ID: <48C4341F.2020302@xxxxxxxxx> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; > format=flowed > > Grammostola Rosea wrote: > > > Edit: another reason to learn lilypond is the fact > that it is able to > > handle notation, drum notation and tablature. I think > there is no > > notation editor on linux (with gui) which can do that. > > > I love LilyPond and notated several piano pieces with it. > It is very > logical, very full-featured, and does produce beautiful > scores. > > However, I stopped trying to notate with LilyPond because > of the absence > of one single feature-- > > In piano music and music for other polyphonic instruments, > it is common, > in order to create a score that is less cluttered and easy > to read, to > split a polyphonic voice (a voice that can contain chords > instead of a > single note) into two or more voices, and to combine two or > more voices > into a single voice. Sometimes this addition or subtraction > of voices is > sudden and may last only a very brief time--perhaps not > even a full measure. > > The problem with this and LilyPond has to do with ties > (tied notes). > When I used LilyPond (a couple years ago) it was very > difficult and > required rather complex coding to make even a single tie > extend from one > voice to another. When the complexity of voices that merge > and split at > arbitrary times was added, it was virtually impossible to > write LilyPond > code that would add the necessary ties between the > identical notes in > other voices. > > This one thing has been disappointing enough to me during > these last > couple years to keep me away from LilyPond, although I have > checked its > development from time to time. I volunteered to help > sponsor (fund the > programming of) this feature several times, but neither > other users nor > the lead developer, Han-Wen Nienhuys, responded to that > suggestion, > although Han-Wen had incorporated some rather complex code > regarding > ties that I had volunteered to sponsor some months earlier. > > I think that LilyPond is an extraordinary, great program > and that > Han-Wen is a brilliant programmer. However, if one's > interest is in > notating polyphonic music, this issue becomes an obstacle > that is > impossible to ignore and hard to work around. > > However, all that said, I would be thrilled to be proven > wrong. :-) > > Steve > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Sun, 07 Sep 2008 23:19:22 +0300 > From: David Baron <d_baron@xxxxxxxxxx> > Subject: Re: Notation: The State of the Mess > To: linux-audio-user@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > Message-ID: <200809072319.23766.d_baron@xxxxxxxxxx> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-15 > > On Sunday 07 September 2008 20:17:30 Bob van der Poel > wrote: > > ClamAV 0.94 > > > > Atte Andr? Jensen wrote: > > > Bob van der Poel wrote: > > > <snip> > > > > > >> ...when I have serious (or fun) work to do I > write my score with MUP. > > > > > > Could you elaborate abit about why you choose mup > over lilypond? > > > > I'll probably get flamed by the lilypond guys ... > but: > > > > I did spend some time with a number of products in > 2004 and wrote this > > review: > > > > http://mellowood.ca/mup/mup-review.html > > > > I know things have changed since then. But, I figure > that so long as > > something works I'll continue to use it :) > > > > Biggest concerns for me: > > > > - I find the syntax of mup much easier. I am quick > to point out that > > this might just be a case of "what one > knows". MUP is certainly less > > verbose. > > > > - mup handles transposition very well. I'm not > sure if lily does now > > (it didn't last time I checked). > > > Mup does not look bad at all, aside from not being > opensource. But it > certainly will not break the bank and does produce nice > output if it gets > decent input. You, computers ... > > A while back, someone was working a a minimalist scoring > program, gcomposer I > think he called it. His syntax was very close to MUPs idea. > He was not > interested in a full repertoire of music symbols, however. > But a GUI for MUP > in the making. it certainly could be. > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Sun, 07 Sep 2008 17:36:01 -0700 > From: Bob van der Poel <bob@xxxxxxxxxxxx> > Subject: Re: Notation: The State of the Mess > To: Grammostola Rosea <rosea.grammostola@xxxxxxxxx> > Cc: linux-audio-user@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > Message-ID: <48C47371.4030006@xxxxxxxxxxxx> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; > format=flowed > > > > Grammostola Rosea wrote: > > > > Edit: another reason to learn lilypond is the fact > that it is able to > > handle notation, drum notation and tablature. I think > there is no > > MUP does these as well :) But, really, use what works for > you! Important > part is the music, not the process. > > -- > **** Listen to my CD at > http://www.mellowood.ca/music/cedars **** > Bob van der Poel ** Wynndel, British Columbia, CANADA ** > EMAIL: bob@xxxxxxxxxxxx > WWW: http://www.mellowood.ca > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 8 > Date: Sun, 07 Sep 2008 17:42:53 -0700 > From: Bob van der Poel <bob@xxxxxxxxxxxx> > Subject: Re: Notation: The State of the Mess > To: David Baron <d_baron@xxxxxxxxxx> > Cc: linux-audio-user@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > Message-ID: <48C4750D.7070700@xxxxxxxxxxxx> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; > format=flowed > > > > David Baron wrote: > > > > A while back, someone was working a a minimalist > scoring program, gcomposer I > > think he called it. His syntax was very close to MUPs > idea. He was not > > The original noteedit program used a mup-lilke syntax. I > even managed to > import/export a few simple pieces (just playing around > stuff). The new > program nted uses a text file which appears to represent > the gui display > much more than the music (which probably makes lots of > sense). BTW, nted > is a program which I've give a go and it appears to > have lots of promise. > > > interested in a full repertoire of music symbols, > however. But a GUI for MUP > > in the making. it certainly could be. > > Do you folks really think a gui is important for this kind > of stuff? I > know that I am very happy doing mup (and mma) stuff with a > text editor. > I have used a number of GUI interfaces for music and find > they just slow > me down or get in my way. With a program like mup (or lily) > one can have > an editor in a window and do repetitive compiles/displays > in a separate > window (or in emacs, in the same). And with fast CPUs which > are so > common today it is very fast to do. Maybe I'm just > showing my age :) > > -- > **** Listen to my CD at > http://www.mellowood.ca/music/cedars **** > Bob van der Poel ** Wynndel, British Columbia, CANADA ** > EMAIL: bob@xxxxxxxxxxxx > WWW: http://www.mellowood.ca > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 9 > Date: Mon, 08 Sep 2008 08:57:48 +0200 > From: Philippe Hezaine <philippe.hezaine@xxxxxxx> > Subject: Re: Notation: The State of the Mess > To: linux-audio-user@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > Message-ID: <48C4CCEC.4010304@xxxxxxx> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed > > Bob van der Poel a ?crit : > > > > > > > - mup handles transposition very well. I'm not > sure if lily does now > > (it didn't last time I checked). > > > > Hi, > > see the manual: > > http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.11/Documentation/user/lilypond/Transpose.html > > Hope this helps. > -- > Phil. > Superbonus-Project (Site principal) > <http://superbonus.project.free.fr> > > Superbonus-Project (Plate-forme d'?change): > <http://philippe.hezaine.free.fr> > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 10 > Date: Mon, 08 Sep 2008 10:44:26 +0200 > From: Atte Andr? Jensen <atte.jensen@xxxxxxxxx> > Subject: Re: Notation: The State of the Mess > To: svoufff at free <svoufff@xxxxxxx> > Cc: linux-audio-user > <linux-audio-user@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> > Message-ID: <48C4E5EA.5030206@xxxxxxxxx> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed > > svoufff at free wrote: > > > Well that's all i think.Hope you can get it > running. > > Thanks for the fantastic info! I'm not yet a sibelius > user, but need to > jump in order to work with other teachers at the school > where I'm teaching. > > Your report tells me it's possible, I'll give it a > go asap, and get back > in case of trouble. > > BTW: I installed vmware, which might be the backup > solution... > > Thanks again! > > -- > Atte > > http://atte.dk http://modlys.dk > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 11 > Date: Mon, 08 Sep 2008 15:11:22 +0200 > From: Grammostola Rosea <rosea.grammostola@xxxxxxxxx> > Subject: Re: Drum samples > To: Dave Phillips <dlphillips@xxxxxxxxxx> > Cc: linux-audio-user > <linux-audio-user@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> > Message-ID: <48C5247A.3040101@xxxxxxxxx> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > Dave Phillips wrote: > > Grammostola Rosea wrote: > > > >> I tried to make an gig of the G&S Custom Work > Drum Kit Sample Library, > >> but the Cymbals have a very weak sound (not loud). > Is it possible to > >> make it better with gigedit? > >> > >> > >> > > Use a soundfile editor (Audacity, Snd, ReZound, etc) > to adjust relative > > volume. Normalize or add gain, save it as a WAV, then > load it into Gigedit > > > > > > > Thanks. What does normalize? > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 12 > Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2008 16:10:54 +0200 > From: Edgar Aichinger <edogawa@xxxxxx> > Subject: Re: Drum samples > To: linux-audio-user@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > Message-ID: <200809081610.54848.edogawa@xxxxxx> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Am Montag 08 September 2008 schrieb Grammostola Rosea: > > Dave Phillips wrote: > > > Grammostola Rosea wrote: > > > > > >> I tried to make an gig of the G&S Custom > Work Drum Kit Sample Library, > > >> but the Cymbals have a very weak sound (not > loud). Is it possible to > > >> make it better with gigedit? > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > Use a soundfile editor (Audacity, Snd, ReZound, > etc) to adjust relative > > > volume. Normalize or add gain, save it as a WAV, > then load it into Gigedit > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks. What does normalize? > > It looks for the loudest sample value in the file or block, > calculates the > factor between this and the highest possible value > (representing 0dB), and > then multiplies all sample values with this factor. > > If you need it even louder you will have to apply > compression, and normalize > again. > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Linux-audio-user mailing list > > Linux-audio-user@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > > > http://lists.linuxaudio.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-audio-user > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Linux-audio-user mailing list > Linux-audio-user@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > http://lists.linuxaudio.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-audio-user > > > End of Linux-audio-user Digest, Vol 19, Issue 9 > *********************************************** _______________________________________________ Linux-audio-user mailing list Linux-audio-user@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx http://lists.linuxaudio.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-audio-user
