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>    1. Re: Notation: The State of the Mess (Bob van der
> Poel)
>    2. Re: Notation: The State of the Mess (Grammostola
> Rosea)
>    3. Re: Notation: The State of the Mess (Grammostola
> Rosea)
>    4. Re: Notation: The State of the Mess (svoufff at free)
>    5. Re: Notation: The State of the Mess (Stephen Doonan)
>    6. Re: Notation: The State of the Mess (David Baron)
>    7. Re: Notation: The State of the Mess (Bob van der
> Poel)
>    8. Re: Notation: The State of the Mess (Bob van der
> Poel)
>    9. Re: Notation: The State of the Mess (Philippe
> Hezaine)
>   10. Re: Notation: The State of the Mess (Atte Andr?
> Jensen)
>   11. Re: Drum samples (Grammostola Rosea)
>   12. Re: Drum samples (Edgar Aichinger)
> 
> 
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> Message: 1
> Date: Sun, 07 Sep 2008 10:17:30 -0700
> From: Bob van der Poel <bob@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: Re:  Notation: The State of the Mess
> To: Atte Andr? Jensen <atte.jensen@xxxxxxxxx>
> Cc: linux-audio-user@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Message-ID: <48C40CAA.7010305@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15;
> format=flowed
> 
> 
> 
> Atte Andr? Jensen wrote:
> > Bob van der Poel wrote:
> > <snip>
> >> ...when I have serious (or fun) work to do I write
> my score with MUP.
> > 
> > Could you elaborate abit about why you choose mup over
> lilypond?
> > 
> 
> I'll probably get flamed by the lilypond guys ... but:
> 
> I did spend some time with a number of products in 2004 and
> wrote this 
> review:
> 
> http://mellowood.ca/mup/mup-review.html
> 
> I know things have changed since then. But, I figure that
> so long as 
> something works I'll continue to use it :)
> 
> Biggest concerns for me:
> 
>   - I find the syntax of mup much easier. I am quick to
> point out that 
> this might just be a case of "what one knows".
> MUP is certainly less 
> verbose.
> 
>   - mup handles transposition very well. I'm not sure
> if lily does now 
> (it didn't last time I checked).
> 
> It is quite possible that the final output from a lily
> score may be 
> better. But to my eyes the stuff I get from mup is very
> good.
> 
> These days I don't do band scores anymore with multiple
> parts, etc. 
> Mostly I do lead sheets which I need to print in various
> keys (for Bb, 
> Eb, etc). I've got an automated tool chain for this and
> can crank out a 
> custom score from a fakebook with lyrics, melody and chord
> names in 20 
> to 40 minutes.
> 
> My biggest sadness with mup is that the authors have NOT
> decided to open 
> source the product. Certainly, that is their right and
> I'll not argue 
> that they must or should. They do regular updates and
> respond to user 
> requests and questions. But, one has to wonder if the
> product would 
> develop more quickly if more folk were able to hack at it.
> 
> Hope this helps.
> 
> -- 
>   **** Listen to my CD at
> http://www.mellowood.ca/music/cedars ****
> Bob van der Poel ** Wynndel, British Columbia, CANADA **
> EMAIL: bob@xxxxxxxxxxxx
> WWW:   http://www.mellowood.ca
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 2
> Date: Sun, 07 Sep 2008 20:58:52 +0200
> From: Grammostola Rosea <rosea.grammostola@xxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: Re:  Notation: The State of the Mess
> Cc: linux-audio-user@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Message-ID: <48C4246C.4020701@xxxxxxxxx>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15;
> format=flowed
> 
> Bob van der Poel wrote:
> > Atte Andr? Jensen wrote:
> >   
> >> Bob van der Poel wrote:
> >> <snip>
> >>     
> >>> ...when I have serious (or fun) work to do I
> write my score with MUP.
> >>>       
> >> Could you elaborate abit about why you choose mup
> over lilypond?
> >>
> >>     
> >
> > I'll probably get flamed by the lilypond guys ...
> but:
> >
> > I did spend some time with a number of products in
> 2004 and wrote this 
> > review:
> >
> > http://mellowood.ca/mup/mup-review.html
> >
> > I know things have changed since then. But, I figure
> that so long as 
> > something works I'll continue to use it :)
> >
> > Biggest concerns for me:
> >
> >   - I find the syntax of mup much easier. I am quick
> to point out that 
> > this might just be a case of "what one
> knows". MUP is certainly less 
> > verbose.
> >
> >   - mup handles transposition very well. I'm not
> sure if lily does now 
> > (it didn't last time I checked).
> >
> > It is quite possible that the final output from a lily
> score may be 
> > better. But to my eyes the stuff I get from mup is
> very good.
> >
> > These days I don't do band scores anymore with
> multiple parts, etc. 
> > Mostly I do lead sheets which I need to print in
> various keys (for Bb, 
> > Eb, etc). I've got an automated tool chain for
> this and can crank out a 
> > custom score from a fakebook with lyrics, melody and
> chord names in 20 
> > to 40 minutes.
> >
> > My biggest sadness with mup is that the authors have
> NOT decided to open 
> > source the product. Certainly, that is their right and
> I'll not argue 
> > that they must or should. They do regular updates and
> respond to user 
> > requests and questions. But, one has to wonder if the
> product would 
> > develop more quickly if more folk were able to hack at
> it.
> >
> >   
> I did know the existence of MUP, but I did not consider to
> use it....
> The notation apps on linux seems to be more orientated
> towards Lilypond 
> (even for tablature: tuxguitar). So  my choice was not
> difficult and at 
> the end (with all the notation apps (gui's) on linux in
> mind) I think 
> Lilypond will be the easiest solution...
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 3
> Date: Sun, 07 Sep 2008 21:28:56 +0200
> From: Grammostola Rosea <rosea.grammostola@xxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: Re:  Notation: The State of the Mess
> To: linux-audio-user@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Message-ID: <48C42B78.8080804@xxxxxxxxx>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15;
> format=flowed
> 
> Grammostola Rosea wrote:
> > Bob van der Poel wrote:
> >   
> >> Atte Andr? Jensen wrote:
> >>   
> >>     
> >>> Bob van der Poel wrote:
> >>> <snip>
> >>>     
> >>>       
> >>>> ...when I have serious (or fun) work to do
> I write my score with MUP.
> >>>>       
> >>>>         
> >>> Could you elaborate abit about why you choose
> mup over lilypond?
> >>>
> >>>     
> >>>       
> >> I'll probably get flamed by the lilypond guys
> ... but:
> >>
> >> I did spend some time with a number of products in
> 2004 and wrote this 
> >> review:
> >>
> >> http://mellowood.ca/mup/mup-review.html
> >>
> >> I know things have changed since then. But, I
> figure that so long as 
> >> something works I'll continue to use it :)
> >>
> >> Biggest concerns for me:
> >>
> >>   - I find the syntax of mup much easier. I am
> quick to point out that 
> >> this might just be a case of "what one
> knows". MUP is certainly less 
> >> verbose.
> >>
> >>   - mup handles transposition very well. I'm
> not sure if lily does now 
> >> (it didn't last time I checked).
> >>
> >> It is quite possible that the final output from a
> lily score may be 
> >> better. But to my eyes the stuff I get from mup is
> very good.
> >>
> >> These days I don't do band scores anymore with
> multiple parts, etc. 
> >> Mostly I do lead sheets which I need to print in
> various keys (for Bb, 
> >> Eb, etc). I've got an automated tool chain for
> this and can crank out a 
> >> custom score from a fakebook with lyrics, melody
> and chord names in 20 
> >> to 40 minutes.
> >>
> >> My biggest sadness with mup is that the authors
> have NOT decided to open 
> >> source the product. Certainly, that is their right
> and I'll not argue 
> >> that they must or should. They do regular updates
> and respond to user 
> >> requests and questions. But, one has to wonder if
> the product would 
> >> develop more quickly if more folk were able to
> hack at it.
> >>
> >>   
> >>     
> > I did know the existence of MUP, but I did not
> consider to use it....
> > The notation apps on linux seems to be more orientated
> towards Lilypond 
> > (even for tablature: tuxguitar). So  my choice was not
> difficult and at 
> > the end (with all the notation apps (gui's) on
> linux in mind) I think 
> > Lilypond will be the easiest solution...
> >
> >
> >   
> Edit: another reason to learn lilypond is the fact that it
> is able to 
> handle notation, drum notation and tablature. I think there
> is no 
> notation editor on linux (with gui) which can do that. So
> my advice, 
> learn lilypond with the help of lilypondtool and lilykde
> and when you 
> can do with it what you want to do, consider to use one of
> the available 
> gui's for it... or not...
> If you first work all the time with one of the gui's,
> it will be hard to 
> edit something fast you wasn't able to do with you gui
> without some 
> basic knowledge of lilypond in my opinion...
> 
> So stay 'sick' home for a week and make sure you
> are able to work with 
> lilypond at the end of that week , and I promise you, you
> will feel much 
> better ;)
> 
> For the dutch people, I found a nice tutorial/ handleiding
> by the maker 
> of lilykde:
> http://www.wilbertberendsen.nl/cursus_lilypond
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 4
> Date: Sun, 07 Sep 2008 23:55:33 +0400
> From: svoufff at free <svoufff@xxxxxxx>
> Subject: Re:  Notation: The State of the Mess
> To: Atte Andr? Jensen
> <atte.jensen@xxxxxxxxx>,	linux-audio-user
> 	<linux-audio-user@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Message-ID: <1220817333.23594.75.camel@ours>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
> 
> Yes i work on Sibelius almost everyday along linuxsampler
> to hear my
> scores.
> I'm on Ubuntu Hardy with RT kernel 2.6.24-19-rt.
> Sibelius 4.1.5
> Wine 1.0
> LS 5.1
> I installed Sibelius as usual then i trhrown the file
> gdiplus.dll in
> ~/.wine/drive_c/windows/system32
> I also put in that folder the files mfc42.dll, msvcirt.dll
> and
> msvcp60.dll but don't recall if that was really for
> sibelius or another
> win-app
> I installed the msttcorefonts package
> On wine config, audio section, i had to choose only alsa
> driver.
> 
> Then this is time to start everything :
> -start jack
> -start LS and load some sounds, connect LS in jack if
> it's not done
> automatically
> -start Sibelius.Go to Play/Playback & Input Devices.In
> front of the
> device you wanna use you have a yes/no (the "use"
> column).Single-click
> or double -click or triple-click...til you have a
> "yes".You won't have
> to do it again if you start the device (LS in my case)
> before Sibelius.
> 
> Everything should be ready.Here's a webpage at winehq
> that helped me :
> http://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=version&iId=8340
> 
> 98% is working, it's a great app.
> Otherwise,
> sometimes its's slow and consumes much CPU (graphic
> refresh problem
> probably).
> Texts objects are tricky to point at.That's THE
> annoying thing.
> Texts of more than one line are not displayed properly.That
> unfortunately include time signatures.If you work on 4/4
> you can choose
> C instead but for other metrics you have to hide it then
> write a the
> numbers with normal text style.
> 
> Well that's all i think.Hope you can get it running.
> 
> 
> Le dimanche 07 septembre 2008 ? 14:11 +0200, Atte Andr?
> Jensen a ?crit :
> > David Baron wrote:
> > > Very little has progressed since the last thread
> here.
> > 
> > A sidestep:
> > 
> > Has anyone been able to run sibelius under linux? If
> so, what steps did 
> > you have to follow?
> > 
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 5
> Date: Sun, 07 Sep 2008 14:05:51 -0600
> From: Stephen Doonan <stephen.doonan@xxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: Re:  Notation: The State of the Mess
> Cc: linux-audio-user@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Message-ID: <48C4341F.2020302@xxxxxxxxx>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15;
> format=flowed
> 
> Grammostola Rosea wrote:
> 
> > Edit: another reason to learn lilypond is the fact
> that it is able to 
> > handle notation, drum notation and tablature. I think
> there is no 
> > notation editor on linux (with gui) which can do that.
> 
> 
> I love LilyPond and notated several piano pieces with it.
> It is very 
> logical, very full-featured, and does produce beautiful
> scores.
> 
> However, I stopped trying to notate with LilyPond because
> of the absence 
> of one single feature--
> 
> In piano music and music for other polyphonic instruments,
> it is common, 
> in order to create a score that is less cluttered and easy
> to read, to 
> split a polyphonic voice (a voice that can contain chords
> instead of a 
> single note) into two or more voices, and to combine two or
> more voices 
> into a single voice. Sometimes this addition or subtraction
> of voices is 
> sudden and may last only a very brief time--perhaps not
> even a full measure.
> 
> The problem with this and LilyPond has to do with ties
> (tied notes). 
> When I used LilyPond (a couple years ago) it was very
> difficult and 
> required rather complex coding to make even a single tie
> extend from one 
> voice to another. When the complexity of voices that merge
> and split at 
> arbitrary times was added, it was virtually impossible to
> write LilyPond 
> code that would add the necessary ties between the
> identical notes in 
> other voices.
> 
> This one thing has been disappointing enough to me during
> these last 
> couple years to keep me away from LilyPond, although I have
> checked its 
> development from time to time. I volunteered to help
> sponsor (fund the 
> programming of) this feature several times, but neither
> other users nor 
> the lead developer, Han-Wen Nienhuys, responded to that
> suggestion, 
> although Han-Wen had incorporated some rather complex code
> regarding 
> ties that I had volunteered to sponsor some months earlier.
> 
> I think that LilyPond is an extraordinary, great program
> and that 
> Han-Wen is a brilliant programmer. However, if one's
> interest is in 
> notating polyphonic music, this issue becomes an obstacle
> that is 
> impossible to ignore and hard to work around.
> 
> However, all that said, I would be thrilled to be proven
> wrong. :-)
> 
> Steve
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 6
> Date: Sun, 07 Sep 2008 23:19:22 +0300
> From: David Baron <d_baron@xxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: Re:  Notation: The State of the Mess
> To: linux-audio-user@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Message-ID: <200809072319.23766.d_baron@xxxxxxxxxx>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-15
> 
> On Sunday 07 September 2008 20:17:30 Bob van der Poel
> wrote:
> > ClamAV 0.94
> >
> > Atte Andr? Jensen wrote:
> > > Bob van der Poel wrote:
> > > <snip>
> > >
> > >> ...when I have serious (or fun) work to do I
> write my score with MUP.
> > >
> > > Could you elaborate abit about why you choose mup
> over lilypond?
> >
> > I'll probably get flamed by the lilypond guys ...
> but:
> >
> > I did spend some time with a number of products in
> 2004 and wrote this
> > review:
> >
> > http://mellowood.ca/mup/mup-review.html
> >
> > I know things have changed since then. But, I figure
> that so long as
> > something works I'll continue to use it :)
> >
> > Biggest concerns for me:
> >
> >   - I find the syntax of mup much easier. I am quick
> to point out that
> > this might just be a case of "what one
> knows". MUP is certainly less
> > verbose.
> >
> >   - mup handles transposition very well. I'm not
> sure if lily does now
> > (it didn't last time I checked).
> >
> Mup does not look bad at all, aside from not being
> opensource. But it 
> certainly will not break the bank and does produce nice
> output if it gets 
> decent input. You, computers ...
> 
> A while back, someone was working a a minimalist scoring
> program, gcomposer I 
> think he called it. His syntax was very close to MUPs idea.
> He was not 
> interested in a full repertoire of music symbols, however.
> But a GUI for MUP 
> in the making. it certainly could be.
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 7
> Date: Sun, 07 Sep 2008 17:36:01 -0700
> From: Bob van der Poel <bob@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: Re:  Notation: The State of the Mess
> To: Grammostola Rosea <rosea.grammostola@xxxxxxxxx>
> Cc: linux-audio-user@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Message-ID: <48C47371.4030006@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15;
> format=flowed
> 
> 
> 
> Grammostola Rosea wrote:
> 
> 
> > Edit: another reason to learn lilypond is the fact
> that it is able to 
> > handle notation, drum notation and tablature. I think
> there is no 
> 
> MUP does these as well :) But, really, use what works for
> you! Important 
> part is the music, not the process.
> 
> -- 
>   **** Listen to my CD at
> http://www.mellowood.ca/music/cedars ****
> Bob van der Poel ** Wynndel, British Columbia, CANADA **
> EMAIL: bob@xxxxxxxxxxxx
> WWW:   http://www.mellowood.ca
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 8
> Date: Sun, 07 Sep 2008 17:42:53 -0700
> From: Bob van der Poel <bob@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: Re:  Notation: The State of the Mess
> To: David Baron <d_baron@xxxxxxxxxx>
> Cc: linux-audio-user@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Message-ID: <48C4750D.7070700@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15;
> format=flowed
> 
> 
> 
> David Baron wrote:
> > 
> > A while back, someone was working a a minimalist
> scoring program, gcomposer I 
> > think he called it. His syntax was very close to MUPs
> idea. He was not 
> 
> The original noteedit program used a mup-lilke syntax. I
> even managed to 
> import/export a few simple pieces (just playing around
> stuff).  The new 
> program nted uses a text file which appears to represent
> the gui display 
> much more than the music (which probably makes lots of
> sense). BTW, nted 
> is a program which I've give a go and it appears to
> have lots of promise.
> 
> > interested in a full repertoire of music symbols,
> however. But a GUI for MUP 
> > in the making. it certainly could be.
> 
> Do you folks really think a gui is important for this kind
> of stuff? I 
> know that I am very happy doing mup (and mma) stuff with a
> text editor. 
> I have used a number of GUI interfaces for music and find
> they just slow 
> me down or get in my way. With a program like mup (or lily)
> one can have 
> an editor in a window and do repetitive compiles/displays
> in a separate 
> window (or in emacs, in the same). And with fast CPUs which
> are so 
> common today it is very fast to do. Maybe I'm just
> showing my age :)
> 
> -- 
>   **** Listen to my CD at
> http://www.mellowood.ca/music/cedars ****
> Bob van der Poel ** Wynndel, British Columbia, CANADA **
> EMAIL: bob@xxxxxxxxxxxx
> WWW:   http://www.mellowood.ca
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 9
> Date: Mon, 08 Sep 2008 08:57:48 +0200
> From: Philippe Hezaine <philippe.hezaine@xxxxxxx>
> Subject: Re:  Notation: The State of the Mess
> To: linux-audio-user@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Message-ID: <48C4CCEC.4010304@xxxxxxx>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed
> 
> Bob van der Poel a ?crit :
> > 
> 
> > 
> >   - mup handles transposition very well. I'm not
> sure if lily does now 
> > (it didn't last time I checked).
> > 
> 
> Hi,
> 
> see the manual:
> 
> http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.11/Documentation/user/lilypond/Transpose.html
> 
> Hope this helps.
> -- 
>    Phil.
> Superbonus-Project (Site principal)
> <http://superbonus.project.free.fr>
> 
> Superbonus-Project (Plate-forme d'?change):
> <http://philippe.hezaine.free.fr>
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 10
> Date: Mon, 08 Sep 2008 10:44:26 +0200
> From: Atte Andr? Jensen <atte.jensen@xxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: Re:  Notation: The State of the Mess
> To: svoufff at free <svoufff@xxxxxxx>
> Cc: linux-audio-user
> <linux-audio-user@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Message-ID: <48C4E5EA.5030206@xxxxxxxxx>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed
> 
> svoufff at free wrote:
> 
> > Well that's all i think.Hope you can get it
> running.
> 
> Thanks for the fantastic info! I'm not yet a sibelius
> user, but need to 
> jump in order to work with other teachers at the school
> where I'm teaching.
> 
> Your report tells me it's possible, I'll give it a
> go asap, and get back 
> in case of trouble.
> 
> BTW: I installed vmware, which might be the backup
> solution...
> 
> Thanks again!
> 
> -- 
> Atte
> 
> http://atte.dk    http://modlys.dk
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 11
> Date: Mon, 08 Sep 2008 15:11:22 +0200
> From: Grammostola Rosea <rosea.grammostola@xxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: Re:  Drum samples
> To: Dave Phillips <dlphillips@xxxxxxxxxx>
> Cc: linux-audio-user
> <linux-audio-user@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Message-ID: <48C5247A.3040101@xxxxxxxxx>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
> 
> Dave Phillips wrote:
> > Grammostola Rosea wrote:
> >   
> >> I tried to make an gig of the G&S Custom Work
> Drum Kit Sample Library, 
> >> but the Cymbals have a very weak sound (not loud).
> Is it possible to 
> >> make it better with gigedit?
> >>
> >>   
> >>     
> > Use a soundfile editor (Audacity, Snd, ReZound, etc)
> to adjust relative 
> > volume. Normalize or add gain, save it as a WAV, then
> load it into Gigedit
> >
> >
> >   
> Thanks. What does normalize?
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 12
> Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2008 16:10:54 +0200
> From: Edgar Aichinger <edogawa@xxxxxx>
> Subject: Re:  Drum samples
> To: linux-audio-user@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Message-ID: <200809081610.54848.edogawa@xxxxxx>
> Content-Type: text/plain;  charset="iso-8859-1"
> 
> Am Montag 08 September 2008 schrieb Grammostola Rosea:
> > Dave Phillips wrote:
> > > Grammostola Rosea wrote:
> > >   
> > >> I tried to make an gig of the G&S Custom
> Work Drum Kit Sample Library, 
> > >> but the Cymbals have a very weak sound (not
> loud). Is it possible to 
> > >> make it better with gigedit?
> > >>
> > >>   
> > >>     
> > > Use a soundfile editor (Audacity, Snd, ReZound,
> etc) to adjust relative 
> > > volume. Normalize or add gain, save it as a WAV,
> then load it into Gigedit
> > >
> > >
> > >   
> > Thanks. What does normalize?
> 
> It looks for the loudest sample value in the file or block,
> calculates the 
> factor between this and the highest possible value
> (representing 0dB), and 
> then multiplies all sample values with this factor.
> 
> If you need it even louder you will have to apply
> compression, and normalize 
> again.
> 
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