As I've said several times, I don't buy that a jackhammer could ever sound as sweet as a songbird; no one will describe them as interchangeable. I don't believe that anyone would say that a super-distorted electric guitar - even if they love the sound - arouses the same emotional response as a "lyrical" oboe solo. Certain sounds are by nature disruptive, certain sounds are smooth, and no amount of conditioning to "like" or "dislike" can change that. You are a big fan of putting words in my mouth, and of assuming you're the only person who has done any research into music cognition. Maybe that's true in 99% of the groups you find yourself in, but believe me: Some combinations of sine tones are simply more musical than others. The actual research that has been done in this area has shown this to be true. Conditioning in 12-tone ET does not make musicians think an ET third is more harmonious than a just third. The ability to hear consonance in a just major triad is not something that needs to be learned, and it can't be unlearned. -Chuckk On 4/5/07, Ivica Ico Bukvic <ico@xxxxxx> wrote:
> > If placed within the right context, yes. As a matter of fact a lot of > modern > > electronica/glitch music relies heavily upon various kinds of noises, > including > > white noise. Besides, subtractive synthesis + white noise = a lot of > cool aural > > material... > > Well, there is a Linux program that will read the entire contents of a > hard drive as though it were one big audio file. So I guess we have > no more need for musicians, because that would be a collection of sine > waves of various frequencies, and that's all it takes. Oh dear... There are sounds and then there is music. Commonly music within this context is a collage of such sounds assembled through human arbitration (direct or indirect). First you argue how certain sounds are not musical and that is this is a universal fact (which it isn't), now you argue that those sounds in and of themselves cannot be music (which again is not universal truth). Please note that two arguments are not synonymous, but rather separate issues altogether. That being said, I'd suggest looking into writings of John Cage which talks about the notion of "happening" and removal of human arbitration from the compositional process. To some extent the same goes for the Second Viennese school. For what it's worth, in that (albeit extreme) context, yes, sonification of hard drive data could be considered a kind of artistic expression. On a more moderate level, such sound could be harvested/recorded, just like one could record a bird song, and then use such material to shape a work of art. Therefore, the sounds which may or may not appear to be musical to you (but could appear to be musical to others), would be placed within a context where they are treated musically just like notes and/or pitches are treated within a traditional Western music. This would, by definition, result in a piece of music. Now, whether you like such an end-product or not is irrelevant from the fact that any sound can be used for musical expression and that music can be defined simply as a conscious [human] attention/musical treatment of any sonic material. Another eye-opening place I would suggest investigating is Ars Electronica which is arguably the most prestigious annual competition for the contemporary multimedia arts... Ico _______________________________________________ Linux-audio-user mailing list Linux-audio-user@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx http://lists.linuxaudio.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/linux-audio-user
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