Nobody took this news to this list!? Microsoft was ruled to pay about a billion for infringing a mp3 patent. When that is verified in higher courts, it is expected that many companies will face the same issue. I hope the bill for individual Windows users is high enough so that OGG starts sounding a good idea. Also, now it would be time to contact all possible mp3 manufacturers, and tell about OGG encoders and players. Juhana -- http://music.columbia.edu/mailman/listinfo/linux-graphics-dev for developers of open source graphics software