Hello Paul, > native VST for linux has yet to produce anything concrete at all, > AFAICT. developers of VST plugins are *not* writing plugins for linux. > if you wanted to make native VST on linux easier, the sensible thing to > do is to implement VSTGUI on top of X11 and/or one or more contemporary > toolkits. Native VST on Linux is real! it works and needed 3 mounth (Dec, 1st was the first release of EnergyXT2/Linux)for around 50 plugins - Lucio is the one who made the first VSTgui working on Linux! See his website. > if the "best native Linux VST plugins for testing" are the MDA plugins, > then i would have to say that this hasn't accomplished a lot. JOST is a fast hacked try, only for demonstrating that JACK and JUCE will work together well. So JOST did't support GUI'd VSTs now, and some VSTs from Jorgen Aase are making probs. I had recommend the mda suite for maximal success if someone want to try it. I'm surer later any native Linux VST will work there in a kind of modular environment. But for now it is only a first preview. > > really. fascinating. and just how long do you imagine this might take? > how long do you think traktion took to create? how many people do you > think work on Traktion at the moment? Well Tracktion 1 and the JUCE framework was developed by one person, Julian Storer. He made Tracktion because he was not able to use the well known sequecenrs so he started to make a own one. He was also the successor of this sequencer. Later Mackie bought Tracktion, but Julian made sure, the framework he made for creating Tracktion stays opensource. A year ago I asking Julian about a Tracktion for Linux, he was open for this idea but like you he said that audio linux is crap - he didn't realise the potential of JACK. But now we have a clear demonstration, JUCE and JACK fits and I'm sure, there will be more in a short time coming up from italy. Not to high expectations, please, but i think the JUCE make things much easier for devs. I'm sure Julian Storer will help activly, he do allready with his juceforum. > > there are already a few JACK-aware VST hosting sequencers/DAWs. there is > already DSSI. there is already a DSSI-VST bridge. there is already a > run-VST-plugin-as-JACK-client host. what do you actually think is gained > by starting up yet another project to do this? I like Ardour and work with this great piece of software everyday, but there is no midisequencer actually implented. And the VST- FST Wine connection is not really on a stable fundament. I think native VSTs are a better choice. So I'm still looking for a stable Audio/Midisequencer (No, the well-known linux sequencers are no option for me - I was giving up because of too much crashes midest a song I working on), so energyXT2 (stable, easy to use, productive, creative) goes a bit in this direction, but as i said, the communication with Jorgen is not so easy - so I think it is important to have a free host for native LinuxVST -also as a demonstration for other developers that native VST is works on Linux. > > mike taht told me a cute story of how he spoke at a conference somewhere > and asked everyone in the room how many of them had their own projects > going on. Everyone in the room raised their hands. mike said that he > didn't have to guts to ask "Does anyone ever think that maybe there are > too many projects?". he did raise the idea that it would be really good > for *everyone* if people would give some of their attention to other > projects periodically. i plead guilty to not doing this, its true. Yes the creation is strange and divine -so much different lifeforms and they all have a place and a home. Regards, Michael -- .:www.jacklab.net:. ProAudio for openSUSE Linux
