Rob wrote: > On Wednesday 21 February 2007 14:03, Josh Lawrence wrote: >> And if Gnome died today, wouldn't something >> come along to take its place (if indeed the need was there)? > > I'm not even sure what "dying" means in this case. Perl is > basically dead as far as new development goes [...] redefine death - there's perl code popping up everywhere! aparently you can formulate QM with it's regexps: http://xkcd.com/c224.html ;-) Same goes for gnome - ok seriously IMHO they've influenced good Desktop development and even if the current gnome-desktop-software has several issues or drops in popularity(?!),.. their spirit will linger longer than most flashy icons.. - anyway right now I prefer the gnome-terminal with xfce. To each his/her own windowmanager - only question we could ask in our glass house is which Features of a window-manager would improve linux-audio popularity & usability: Ideas range from session management and easy window re-arrangement to extending drag-n-drop features or display-information abstraction: inter-app-exchange methods.. MIDI-WM :-) - there'll always be different kinds for a window environments, so the API should rather be at glib (or similar lebvel) rather than associating linux-audio with some DE or live-distro. I hope(d) that linux-audio and linux-desktop popularity are quite uncorrelated. Although an open source software can; an open-source community does not seem to be able to support [non-caring|paying]+ End-Users in a satisfactory way - "uuh - do I need to type? I just want to click?" - ok I kid. Who would agree that someone who wants to record audio should learn how to use a keyboard first? - OTOH it's a feat I would expect from every audio-engineer, even if only to label analog cables :-) Of course everyone is welcome to support Linus's Law, but I rather think that the average Audio-Software-Desktop-User will not add much to Linux Audio, apart from the need that it must co-exist with gaming sound libs on any distro (poor packagers!) - This does not mean one should exclude those users or applications, on the contrary! - just don't expect them to be .. greatful(?) or push them. - is it the latter what companies are trying to do? - YaSTC (yet another side o[fn] the coin) - anyway the Linuxaudio community is not doing that bad, is it? anyway as the default VISTA license seems to only allow one DVD drive per system and with other various DRM hardware cooking up,.. de-evolution leads to revolution! - well scatch that last, enough OT chat tonight, - looking forward to the LAC keynote! cheers, robin