> It doesn't mean anything. People are always complaining on the internet, > that's what it's for. While I hope you are right. FWIW, I did bother to check out gnome-devel lists and kde-devel lists and both of them are rather stagnant. Plasma project truly has no code to show for despite the fact that it has been in existence for quite some time. The roadmap for Gnome is pretty rudimentary and mention of 3.00 is just that, a mention. <rant> While my heart is and will always be with GNU/Linux, increasingly my thoughts are that the fragmentation inherent to GNU movement and subsequently Linux has hit a wall which can be only circumvented through consolidation and minimizing redundancy. In the current sea of offering, many great (more importantly often superior) solutions never get a chance to reach even half of the intended audiences (look at the recent Slashdot coverage on the future of Linux installers which tells a sad story how autopackage, despite its arguably superior model never took off). In other words, IMHO the current diversity has raised noise level so high that signal is getting lost and countless programmer hours are being wasted on duplicating efforts of others. It seems to me that perhaps Ubuntu is so successful because there is a much stronger sense of direction through a more centralized, or should I say more consolidated control (although that is obviously much easier to accomplish when money is involved). </rant> Ok, back to work... Ico