On Monday 11 December 2006 21:01, Chris McCormick wrote: > heard the same thing from people watching football. I beleive > that there is artistry in good football playing just as much > as there is artistry in good piano playing and good first > person shooter playing and good break making. You can *find* art in any human endeavor, right up to and including war and murder. In some endeavors, though, the primary measure of the result is objective (the score in a football game, the number of kills in a shooter) and in others it's all subjective (like the visual and musical arts.) People may make art on the way to their objective goals, in competitive sports and gaming and feeding their families and love and murder, but the art isn't the point. No doubt sooner or later, to prove me wrong, there'll be a performance artist whose art consists of sitting on a sofa playing Doom 6 or whatever. (For maximum irony, he should actually sit there playing "E.T." on the Atari 2600.) I'll leave the debate over whether it's actually art to the art critics who are around at that time, because I honestly won't care. Rob