--- mike@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx wrote:
> On Sat Aug 12 15:25 R Parker <rtp405@xxxxxxxxx>
> wrote:
>
> >--- Patrick Shirkey pshirkey@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >wrote:
> >> Ron,
> >>
> >> I haven't heard it but,
> >>
> >> ====================
> >> if (it was mixed live on tX)
> >> then it is a DJ mix which can be considered in
> >> certain circumstances,
> >> an original work;
> >
> >That's what they call originality?
> >
> >> On top of that(until it makes money or gets
> >> significant international
> >> exposure and airplay){
> >> the labels who own the original tracks won't
> even
> >> know it exists;
> >> =====================
> >What does "not knowing it exists" have to do with
> >using someone else's property when your violating
> the
> >owner rights?
> >How do think the owners of GPL licensed software
> will
> >feel when this behaviour you subscribe to becomes
> the
> >norm for their source code? What distinguishes a DJ
> >from the person who violates those rights?
> >
> >> the liklihood of that happening around here is
> slim
> >> to non existant.
> >> So, If you are going to complain every time a DJ
> >> makes a remix
> >
> >Please don't use a personal attacks when debating
> with
> >me.
> >There is a system in place that enables you to use
> >property that other people own the rights to. Be
> >responsible and learn to use it.
> >There's plenty I'd like to say but ironically
> enough I
> >have a session with a DJ for whom we wrote the
> beats.
> >It'll go about six or eight hours. Maybe I'll check
> in
> >later to see what's up. Maybe I won't.
> >
> >Ron Parker
> >Mirror Image Studio
> >
>
> >>
> >> R Parker wrote:
> >> >
> >> > --- Andrew Lewis alewis@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> It's a mash-up of other artists stuff, so it
> can
> >> >>be considered
> >> >> non-free/probably copyright infringement
> >> >
> >> > You think?
> >> >
> >> >> - if you are the artist or their
> >> >> representation, please don't sue!
> >> >
> >> > I have great appreciation for the licensing of
> the
> >> > software we use and the respect people pay to
> >> >those terms.
> >> > When you flagarantly violate expressed rights
> and
> >> >then fly it in my face, I have to tell you to
> cease these
> >> > activities. If nothing else, this demand
> >> >disassociates me from you and your act of
> copyright violation.
> >> >
> >> >> I'm using TerminatorX to make some mixes of my
> >> >> original material too (which
> >> >> I'm sorry to say at this point - was made
> mostly
> >> >> with 'that other OS', but my
> >> >> Linux stuff is coming along).
> ...
> >> >> Artists I should credit (those of which I can
> >> >> remember in any case):
> >> >>
> >> >> part1: Kevin Blechdom, Minibosses, Dev/Null,
> >> >> Xanopticon, Maldoror
> >> >> part2: Radiohead, Gold Chains & Sue Cie,
> Nirvana,
> >> >> Vladislav Delay, Some
> >> >> bollywood music I forget :\
> ...
> >> >> That will be all,
> >> >> Andrew
>
>
> I don't want to turn this into a big argument, but I
> just want to say one thing.
> There is no copyright infringement involved in this
> tune that was posted. Although he did use samples
> from copyrighted
> works, that alone does not constitute copyright
> infringement. I won't go ahead and cite US
> copyright law (and it's not some
> little loophole either), but basically since there
> is no money being exchanged for this song and we as
> listeners are playing
> this in a private setting, this entire thing is
> perfectly legal.
I'm taking a quick break in the middle of my session.
The following may not be the correct reference for
what we're talking about. It might be referring to
making an audio arrangement from sheet music
(http://www.mpa.org/copyright_resource_center/faq#q6):
---begin quote---
Do I need permission to make an arrangement or
transcription?
If an arrangement is made of a copyrighted work
without the authorization of the copyright owner, the
arrangement would be an unauthorized derivative work
and therefore an infringement of the copyright and the
exclusive right of the copyright owner. The first
thing to do when you want to make an arrangement is
check if the work is in the public domain or if it is
protected by copyright. If the work is protected by
copyright, you cannot make an arangement without the
prior permission of the copyright owner.
---end quote---
Ron Parker
Mirror Image Studio
> I won't/can't comment on originality of this work,
> as I'm not familiar with most of the artists Andrew
> cited. But I did like it,
> Andrew.
> The moral issue is another thing... but Andrew made
> it very clear that it wasn't original source
> material, he cited the artists
> he used, and he made no attempt to pass it off as
> his own.
>
> So anyway, as I said, I didn't write this to start a
> debate, I won't be posting anything else on this
> thread. I just felt
> something should be said about the legality of this.
> -Mike
>
> P.S. The system in place was meant to protect
> publishers, not artists. But that's another topic
> we can discuss elsewhere.
>
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