sorry about the new thread. i just subscribed. here's my entry for the logo comp: http://www.zenadsl6252.zen.co.uk/logo_variations.png sources can be found here http://www.zenadsl6252.zen.co.uk/LV2_logo_paugh.tar not quite late but far from early. :) pete. -- ====================== paugh on irc.freenode.org in #sweep, #lad kickback@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx ======================